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After flipping through a few current White Drawfs and the Space Marine codex I began to ponder, "what next for the Space Marines?", what direction is the best selling army in 40k heading in?
With the release of the new Black Templar codex, we can all tell things will be different from here on out for our power armored clad heroes.
The question(s) I present to you is what direction do you hope to see the Space Marines headed in? What things do you like/dislike about the current codex and the new trait system?
I only have one request for this thread, please keep it civil, and not turn this into the 'Space Marine are too powerful/ stumpiest army in the game' flame war. I look forward to hearing a few creative and progressive ideas here.
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Obviously the Blood Angels and Dark Angels (and maybe even Space Wolves!) will now need "full" codeces of their own in order to "keep up with the Joneses" (or "Templars" as it were). GW will have to do new character models and special plastic sprues to be sure they have new products to sell. Do I sound a little cynical? Ha.
It's hard to imagine them doing much more with SM's right now because the basic 4th ed codex added so much flexibility. Conceptually, the SM's have changed the least since the original Rogue Trader, and I don't really see them taking a huge evolutionary step in the 40K rules system. A few tweaks might be in order, though.
That's that, I suppose.
Now, what do I wish would happen? I'd like to see Imperial Fists and Crimson Fists heros be able to use powerfists on initiative! =}
I'd also like them to bring back the Emperor's Champion for regular chapters, and Captain Cortez for the Crimson Fists, of course!
What do I hope to see? I want to see them treated equally as any other race, not everyone buy space marines or else. But that will NEVER happen. I can always dream...
Even a Cursed Founding 'dex sounds possible. Oh yes...
I would really like to see more ornate Space Marines. One of the reasons that Chaos Space Marines sell so well is because they are derived from Space Marines but they have so much more going on on their models.
I like the cloaks and the purity seals that I'm seeing on the veterans, but I would like to see more of that kind of thing. I think that my favorite Space Marines ever are the honor guard for the Ultramarines. They are so completely different from normal SM's, but they look totally "royal", which is entirely befitting of the Emporers finest.
I personally am loving the flexibility of the new SM's. But just one problem. The new chapter additions (such as shoulder pauldrons, additional chestplates for the terminators etc.) coming through forgeworld instead of GW. I mean I like FW as much as any other red-blooded gamer out there, but if it was released as an additional sprue, or a separate chapter box for the different marine units, i think that would be just ace. I'd be snapping up the Deathwing terminators in a second if they came out here (Australia_ fear the ANZACS!) instead of having to send to England for their parts.
On another point, i think the new codex is tops. its about time that there was a chapter traits system so that you could make your own chapter. i have been making my own chapters for a number of years now, but never able to use them due to lack of "official" rules. love it, hope it never leaves.
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OK lets see..
pre 4th ed and codex SM
Codex marines were bog standard, asside from them, there were a number of what I will describe as, for want of a better word - elite chapters (BA,DA,SW, BT and some secondary ones (Salis, Cursed Fouding, WS, FT)
What the 2 books did was increase the capability and variaty of codex SM armies, whilst neautering to some degree the elite ones, this neautering was over emphasised as the increase in capability of codex marines also narrowed the differences (codex armies can now get true grit, furious charge, plasma cannons in tac squads) making the codex marine armies far more attractive whilst disenfranchising the elite army players, GW have promised to revide the elite codecies (having done BT, this leaves BA, DA and SW to do).
Other than that I cant see marines changing for another 3-5 years
I recon space marines are heading to a gothic side,shown by the darker colours, cloaks and increasing number of purity seals they use for the models.
Like the release of the black templars for example, they look very different, not because how they paint it, but wat they add onto them.
Hell, even the current GW colour scheme for ultra marines are darker and gothic (darker blue) , with golden trims. I think GW trying to put the space marines in a darker more sinister tone. Sure they're good guys, but they want to portray the 40k world as being very ....i dont know.....dark and 'scary'. They're 'good guys' that hate everything thats not human.
So yea, i think space marines certainly going to a more gothic look, mainly by the extra bits they include to 'spice' the marines up (like purity seals, lanturns, cloaks, signs and symbols on shoulder pads etc.)
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Whiteshield, Space Marines have been gothic since Rogue Trader. Have you even seen the cover for the 3rd edition rulebook? If that's not gothic then I'm Jewish. The whole point of the Imperium is that it's gothic. It was never about super happy space knights.
If anything, Space Marines are becoming less gothic. Purity seals aren't gothic, they're holy-poly. And a darker blue just means they've decided to paint them a different way. God knows I never saw Ultramarines painted with light blue even in 3rd. You've gotten "crusader-y" mixed up with "gothic." Crusader-y is wearing cloaks and seals and such and looking all nice and Roman, in a clean kind of way. Gothic is wearing skulls on every possible surface.
It seems like they're getting more gothic to me.
gothic meaning of or relating to middle ages or medieval. From what I've seen we're getting a lot more of that sort of stuff now. The knight-like helmets are becoming increasingly popular it seems, first in maneus calgars honour guard and now in the newly released black templar's codex.
Perhaps they were gothic a long time ago but when I think back to my early white dwarfs (1998-99) I don't remember seeing anything gothic at all. Just bright colours, stupid beakie helmets and weird looking land speeders. So if that is the case it appears they may be going back to being more gothic, or just going there for the first time, depending on how right ze_poodle is.
edit: oh and of course the grey knights, those are relatively new minis aren't they?
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