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As you probably know, the old SOB codex had several IC in it. There was Kyrinov, "defender of faith" Jacobson (?) and at least two SOB "Heroines". Of course there was no Karamazov or Celestine in it.
Since we have a new codex and these characters are not in it is it still possible to use them if you have the figures for them (I know that both Kyrinov and Jacobson are still availiable in stores if interested)?
If not, did they get alternate rules in any of the WD or were they dropped alltogether?
Last edited by SmokWawelski; November 29th, 2005 at 18:31.
As far as I know they've never been given new special character rules. Since 40K 2ed is so different from 40K 4ed it's not going to be easy to port them over.
One way to do it would be to use the existing rules to represent them. Redemptor Kyrinov the Arch-Confessor could be done as follows:
Inquisitor Lord with Eviscerator (representing the Mace of Valaan), Rosarius and Divine Pronouncement (to represent the terrifying effect of the Icon of Chiros). Retinue of Deacons (sages), various Sisters (chirurgeon), Preachers (acolytes), Cherubim (familiars), bodyguards/Arbitrators (warriors) and Penitents.
Other special characters could be done similarly, just give them the wargear needed to at least represent their abilities. One advantage of doing it this way is that you won't need your opponents permission, you just need to point out what the model represents.
I believe units from old codexes are still allowed as long as they weren't changed in the newest codex. I would also assume you had to choose your entire army from a single codex to prevent mix n' matching your army. I'm not sure on the exact ruling however. Especially when using units more than one codex back.
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There's no problem to use the models for these miniatures (I think GW actually still sell these guys but they have been renamed) but the rules are a clear no no, the second edition charachters are a bit to powerfull for third and fourth edition.
Though, you could do as hs5ias says, use them as Inquistors.
Meaning the figures right? Well, I have Kyrinov, and I will probably use him as priest with close combat weapon... I like the figures, and it seemed that with some many details they had to be ICs, so I started looking around for their rules...
It seems though that some other races have more IC to chose from, no? WH army only has two (Karamazov and Celestine), but I guess we compensate with so many unique models and the Inquisitors themselves who can be "beefed up" in some many ways and have so many different retinue options...
I use a converted Confessor Kyrnikov as a priest in my WH army. Check it out in the painting section :yes:
You could always try to get your hands on the Citadel Journal #49 which had them updated to 3rd edition format - that's a little closer to the 4E rules...
Personally I'd stick with hs5ias said and tool out another model which "fits" with wargear and weaponry to make your own variant on them, such as a priest, and Inquisitor or even a Zealot Demogogue...
My understanding of using old characters is as follows:
Before you can field any character not in the current Codex you need your opponent's permission. Updated FAQs have made some exceptions (e.g. you don't need their permission to field Old One Eye or Red Terror).
However, as long as your opponent says you may use it and it meets the points threshold, go ahead.
Of course, the problem as said before is that some characters were written for older rulesets and thus would have powers that would not be applicable or be hard to translate.