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    Standard Bearer whilst inside Chimera.

    Can you use effects such as Standard Bearer or Officer's Leadership bonuses to nearby guard if the said bonus givers are mounted in a Chimera?


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    Hi there,
    I'm sorry if this post gets your hopes up... I unfortunately am not the experience Guard player and as much as I would love to... Cannot help you. But I believe (I am not definite) that the leadership of an officer (so long a vox unit is with the squad) can be used (even if mounted in a chimera) so long that the unit to be taking the Morale Check has a vox caster in the group.

    Hope that's helped you a little, but again I am not certain on it.
    Sorry but best of luck, Rob
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    I would say no, again I'm no guard expert but this sounds similar to other queries I have seen answered.

    Anyway, I would said no because one could imagine the bonuses represent the officer shouting encouragement to his troops on the battlefield, If he is in a chimera he couldn't do that (don't argue he would do it over the vox).

    Generally when a unit is in transport unless the rule states that the rule works while the hero is alive (such as SM rites of battle) the rule/ability doesn't work (such as chaos daemon summoning).

    This is how I would interpret it, my answer is by no means definitive, If someone in the know would care to post and clear this up it would be a great help to eveyone.

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    i dont think that it can although it may beable to be used wilst the chimera is open topped

    i really dont think it will work though

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    The leadership might work. I'd say if he had a vox, then yes. If not then no. As for the standard, I'd say that the troops would have to 'see' the flag to be inspired. and while its in a chimera, its not very visible.

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    I'd say yes it can. There is no specification for Guard that I'm aware of that limits the effects of leadership just because your in a vehicle or not. I mean for all we know the leadership bonus just comes from knowing the Officer is there in a vehicle or no. As for the standard, it may well just be attached to the outside of the vehicle when the standard bearer embarks. So my vote is yes it's fine on both counts.

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    You all need to read the codex more closely.

    When an officer is inside of a tank, the model is no longer on the board. The leadership rule says that any Imperial Guard unit within 12" of the officer can use his leadership (which can be further modified by the standard). However, since the officer is off the board, his leadership is outside of the 12" range.

    Voxes, however, do not suffer from the 12" range rule, and therefore can be used when the officer is off the board. However, the standard bearer's bonuses also would not apply in this case, as they would not be within 12" of the standard either.
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    When an officer is inside of a tank, the model is no longer on the board. The leadership rule says that any Imperial Guard unit within 12" of the officer can use his leadership (which can be further modified by the standard). However, since the officer is off the board, his leadership is outside of the 12" range.
    It is on board inside the chimera. If you blow up the chimera the squad will suffer . So they are not off board. Also you can pop the hatch if you need it.
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    I could see it going either way... it's not like the officer is hiding from his troops in the chimera... they know where he is, and the chimera could concievably have built-in speakers if it's going to be an HQ chimera, which would allow the officer to yell at his troops wherever he went. Likewise the standard could be hung on the outside of the tank, again knowing it was the HQ transport ahead of time. Granted the standard doesn't hold as much water, seeing as how they'd have a hell of a time getting the standard back down when they disembarked, but even so.

    However, IF the rules say a unit in a transport is not considered "on the board," then I would agree that the leadership and standard effects are less. The vox, however, would still continue to allow them to communicate as it would transmit his voice regardless of where he was.

    If you can't geta definite answer, ask your opponent before the game... if you still can't agree, each roll a d6 and the high-die wins. Unless your opponent is much bugger and has a penchant for violence... then I would side with him...

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    According to the rules in the codex it says that as long as a squad is within 12" of the standard then the squad gets the extra leadership. It doesn't say anything about the flag having to be visible. I have no idea where this "If they are in a chimera then they are off the board" rule came from, is it in the rule book or something, because that is news to me.

    The real question should be where is the standard bearer inside the chimera to determine the range. I ask this because it would be cheating to measure from the chimera and no the actual model itself.

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