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Hello all, I am currently thinking about taking Space Marines as allied forces into my army, at the moment I was thinking about taking the assault marines with their jump packs because I need some fast CC Support, and possibly (in the not too distant future) get some Assault Terminators.
However, I read a lot about taking the Grey Knight (terminators) as allies however at the moment I"m thinking about taking SM instead.
Please offer your suggestions or opinions (bad idea, reasonable, good idea) and maybe a bit of text about personal preferences and experience (if you have the time to), any help will be appreciated!
The problem you will have, Y2K, is that it is not Codex to take SM alongside a guard force. They are not even Imperial allies. Only a very leniant opponent would let you field the army, and certainly not in a tourney, as tourney armies generaly have to be codex legal.
Thank you for your reply and I do not mean any disrespect at all, however I do believe that you can take SM as allies and is detailed in the DH codex (not sure which page sorry)
Im checking right at the moment so I"ll be back to you in less than 5 min
Alright well, in the little time I had I was unable to locate the information etc. so for the meantime I will take your appreciated advice, however, (fluffwise) wouldn't the SMs and IG be allied anyway?
tell me where in the dh codex that says u can be allied with sm.
u can only be allies with dh or wh.
ok well, unfortunately at the moment I cannot specify a page, however I was just thinking that being imperial forces that it would be pretty obvious to ally with a SM, and finally I overheard a GW staffsmen mentioning that I could use the SM provided with BAttle of Maccrage with my Imperial Force
Indeed, as correctly stated there is no possible allied combination that allows SM to ally with IG. And no, it does not make sense fluffwise either, as the Adeptus Astartes are an independant force who procure their own objectives and agendas, and outside the Departmento Munitorum who recruit and assign IG regiments objectives.
However an Inquisitorial force is not impossible, you could ally in SOB or GKs. This just means a base IG list allied with WH or DH, allowing you to take tasty GK termies (S6 power weapon terminators ).
Thank you very much for clearing this all up and thank you for all the previous help given by XeThemez and Burn the heretic. Again I find this all very odd because I hear a lot that the SM and IG often work together on missions.
Anyway again, thank you for your help,
That is if maybe a Lord Commander Militant requests a company of Space Marines by asking the Chapter Master personally. Entire Crussades might only have a couple of SM companies in it and they are often at the very front of the battles. Most battles are only IG.Originally Posted by Y2K
I would allow you to take SM allies in a campagin, but not in one-off battles.
In game terms, SMs can't be incorporated into an existing guard army and vice versa. The only way to take anything similar to SMs is by using DH or WH. If you don't mind the taint of chaos, you can always use Cypher, but that requires your opponent's permission to use a special character.
In fluff terms, the reason you don't find SM & IG together on a more permanent basis is because of the Horus Heresy... a SM chapter used to lead regiments of IG into battle, and would have control over them. When a chapter went traitor and switched to chaos, the IG lost many regiments due to them following their SM masters out of fear or blind obedience. After the Heresy was over, the IG decided never again to allow SMs control of IG, so as to avoid such heavy separations.
This isn't to say they're never ever found on the battlefield together, just that they might fight together toward a common goal and then go their separate ways. In game terms this allows you to ally with another SM player, but doesn't allow you to actually incorporate the SMs into your army (as stated above & before).