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There are a few Special Characters related posts going around, and people are debating their legality. Many people say they would rather not play against Special Characters.
I've got a question I've been wondering about for a while that is related, i.e. using a Special Character's rules but for a different army. Not something I'm actually intending to do, but just wondering what people would say.
For an example:
I convert a model for my HQ. Instead of using the conventional codex rules I use the pre-existing rules for a special character.
For the purposes of this thread, let's use Tigurius/Lysander as an example. I claim my model has the same rules as Tigurius/Lysander, and I pay the same points for him. I also fulfill any special rules obligations for him (i.e. it's a 1500 points battle etc).
However my army is not a Ultramarines/Imperial Fists/Whatever army, it is a codex/minor/significant divergence army. Now obviously this is for non-tournament play.
Would you complain?
I would complain, but not for the reason you think.
If this were for a non-tournament game, why not just come up with your own rules for your character? (I don't mean you Addoran, but the person who considers this.) So long as the rules are within reason and have a suitable points cost, it would be way more fun and cool than fighting a clone of Marneus or Shrike.
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Depends on the list, depends on the character. For instance, I would slap the first person who tried to use lysander in a deathwing army. I think the reasson is pretty obvious.
Generally, the special characters are balanced to what chater they come from. When you start mixing and matching it is far to easy to come up with combos that are game unbalancing.
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I say if you pay let it play, so he'd be in, I'de allow this no question. Special character aint that scary anyway.:sleep:
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Minus a few exceptions I would agree to it.
Of course things like Lysander in deathwing is out of the question, but say, shrike in an Ultramarines army is okay.
Though I would be unammused about the fluff implications and the rules bending, but I would allow it.
In case any of you were wondering, the version I thought about doing myself was making my own 'Honour Guard' for my marines (fluff-wise DA successors, rule-wise sig divergence).
I was going to make my own converted models rather than the existing Ultramarines ones, and perhaps go the whole hog and convert a Librarian and use Tigurius's rules. I never did bother, so the question became an academic one.
Generally I'd dislike it, although it depends a little on the spirit you play in and your opponents reasons for including him, etc etc. I don't like Lysander much even in a 'Fist army (you can still squeeze in 5 squads of terminators...), but Tigurius isn't too bad (except for his model...). I would probably allow it if the player used the same rules as the character comes from.
However, I don't see much reason in using special characters other than for tactical reasons. If you convert your own model you should be able to fit him into an existing character type (otherwise he's probably un-fluffy anyway) and a chaplain with a pair of mastercrafted lightning claws and furious charge is as choppy as any special character any day.
I would only have a problem with it if the army using the special character is not using the EXACt traits or rules given to it. I.E. You can paint your army a specific other chapter, but using rules wise... it has to stay the same in the book for everything.
Thats my preferences. I don't want any advantages given, to anything that is not approiately 'theirs'.
Thing is many SC's have rules that are only balanced out by their own armies limitations. For example Tigurius could be used to greater effect in certain marine armies that already have some ncie bonuses. One of the UM's bonuses is that they can take Tigurius, BA don't get this benefit, because if they did they would have one mroe sweet character to go along with their sweet rules.
An Honor guard in DA is only slightly unbalancing, but I think Honor Guard(i'm assuming the UM one) is quite sick in any army, so ya...
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I'm normally all about the mix/match (I would have to confess to a bit of min/max at heart), but in this case I dont think so. As others have stated the SC's are normally chapter specific becouse the chapters rules tone them down or off set their abilities. Being able to stuff them into a traits chapter or nilla army just smacks of Rules lawyering. If you are so enamored of a charector play his army.
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