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So I was having an in-depth rules discussion with my friend the other day, and the issue of divine guidance with flamers came up. According to the rules, you must resolve each template weapon independently. Then usually you'll fire with the bolters. Now, the DG rule says you must use it after "to hit" but before "to wound" but with the way things would work out I'd have something that went like this: Hit/Wound(flamer 1) Hit/Wound(flamer 2) Hit/Wound(bolters).
My friend basically said that the rules as stated wouldnt allow for more than one of these hit/wound processes to benefit from DG. I had a really hard time arguing my case that it applied to the whole squad, but I cant find anything in the rules or FAQ to support it. Basically all I was able to say was "everyone does it!" But that wasnt good enough for him. Can anyone offer me any way to prove this officially? Thanks!
The proof is in the fact that it says in the assault or shooting PHASE, which implies all shooting done by that squad in that shooting phase. You may fire your flamers and bolters in different orders but your firing them all in the same PHASE, thus divine guidence works for all weapons fired, not just one.
The only honorable options left to we combatants is seppuku or semantics...which amount to the same thing really.
Yep, That is sound advice.
And tell your friend it is only a game.
yeah ur friend sounds like he needs a chill pill or two
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I'm sure it doesn't say you must roll before rolling to wound and after, certain that it's "may".
You just can roll for Divine guidance after rolling to wound is all it's implying IMO. And what Undead Bonzi seems to be a good reply.
Basically the "before rolling to wound" clause is there to stop people from seeing how many 6s they get and then using the power. Just tell your friend to relax, roll the bolter "to hit" dice, put them on the side, roll for divine guidance, then start placing the flame thrower templates and finally roll "to wound" for the bolters.
EDIT: Heiromyo the rule is in black and white in that you roll for divine guidance after rolling hits and before rolling wounds. They don't imply anything and the word "may" doesn't even appear there.
Last edited by idinos; April 2nd, 2006 at 15:11.
Fair enough, didn't bother reading on it, just an on the spot post.Originally Posted by idinos
Thanks guys, I was thinking about rolling the bolter shots first then doing my templates... I think that the problem is that the WH codex came out before the new 4th edition rulebook. And yes my friend really does need to take a chill pill, he's a pot head he must not have had anything to smoke that day.
Thanks for takig the time to reply!
I advise you actually do the flamers first, they have a shorter range than the bolters. If your opponent is smart and you fired your bolters first he may remove the models from the front reducing the casulties from the flamer weapons (maybe even avoid being hit by them all together)
Oh yes I meant to roll the hit dice for the bolters and then put them aside as was previously suggested... well when playing vs that friend of mine. Id always use flamers first for maximum woundage.