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Im n old 40k player (rogue trader harlequins:ninja: ) n am considering restarting 40k after a 6 month or so absence with a DH army.
My question is in regards to the tactica i have read on this forum from mega - it states that the souless ability of the culexus assassin affects your own units including fearless units implying that this unit is unplayable. I've borrowed a copy of the new rulebook n after reading the description of fearless i am unsure as to what mega means.
If you were to run the assassin with your inquisitor lord, 3 daemonhosts n 3 death cultists wouldnt this give you quite an effective flanking force?
Wouldnt your only concern with souless come from psykers, n the assassin + lord would solve that?
Could comeone please clarify this?
Take everything in that tactica with a grain of salt - it was written at the end of 3rd edition, when there were a couple of different sets of semi-official experimental rules to test out 4th edition principles.The "Souless" ability lowers the Ld of nearby units. It isn't a big deal when surrounded by Fearless units (although it WILL negatively effect the Grey Knight's Aegis ability, which uses Ld to resist psychic powers) since they'll never run. But with Stormtroopers, inducted IG/SM, or allied WH, you have to be a bit more careful.My question is in regards to the tactica i have read on this forum from mega - it states that the souless ability of the culexus assassin affects your own units including fearless units implying that this unit is unplayable. I've borrowed a copy of the new rulebook n after reading the description of fearless i am unsure as to what mega means.
The mention in my tactica as to keeping the Culexus away from GK was in regards to a rumored 4th edition change to assault rules. You know it now as "No Retreat!", the rule where Fearless models that lose a combat can take automatic wounds if outnumbered. In at least one incarnation of the experimental rules released before 4th was finalized, that test was modified by a unit's Ld - and since GK are very commonly outnumbered, you can see why this would be a problem.Too expensive to flank with - thats something like 500+ points in what you've listed there! I suggest this to everyone who starts DH: don't get carried away by the special units. Don't take 4 assassins and 3 deamonhosts in your list!If you were to run the assassin with your inquisitor lord, 3 daemonhosts n 3 death cultists wouldnt this give you quite an effective flanking force?"Souless" effects EVERY model, friend or foe. "Psychic Abomination" is the Culexus special rule that only effects psykers. Assassins and GK are never effected by the Abomination rule, and Lords have the choice of passing or failing it at will. So no, they won't be effected by the Abomination rule. They will have their Ld's lowered by the Souless rule, which will effect the GK's Aegis rule, the ability to shoot at units aside from the nearest enemy unit, and whatever else uses Ld.Wouldnt your only concern with souless come from psykers, n the assassin + lord would solve that?
Thanks for clearing that up Mega.
Im still kinda looking at that flanking force :cry: idea. Maybe with lotsa inducted SM's with heavy weapons to take the heat of it.
When you get close enough to the enemy's lines for souless to kick in your likely to fold his army with morale checks.
Playtest playtest playtest i guess. Will post a list soon for all your evaluation.
Two things that you should think about:
1) Think about the Ld of what you're facing. A regular Guardsman, for example, already has a Ld of 7 - Souless won't do anything to modify that. Marines will get lowered to 7, but they have And They Shall Know No Fear to counter it. Ld7 isn't as crippling as you might think.
2) Think about the model you're depending on. Only an Invuln save, few wounds, and (just) over a hundred points. Also, since the Culexus is Independent, NOT an Independent Character, they can still be shot at regardless of their proximity to other units, as well as picked out separately in melee.
Not trying to shoot you down, just making sure you understand what you're getting yourself into ^^
Last edited by mEGALOMANIAC; April 7th, 2006 at 02:20.
He he he
Yea i just punched up some numbers after considering this. It doesnt look like it has a chance of working