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Im am recently a ork/Chaos player that was thinkin of trying out a 40k in 40minutes army of space marines. I know this is good news to all you DH players. (another convert) ANd it hit me to have a DH allies in my army or verse vica.
So im starting out with 40k In 40minutes, the question is
Are assasins worth their points in these small of games.
In a game where a Ork nob with a power fist could make up 1/10th your army is a vindicar worth it.
Like the vidicar
Plus sides: Can kills 40pts with one shot, save you the hastle of a power fist/autocannon or something else equicly as scary, docks leadership, Pinns, Cool fluff
Downside: Have to take inquisitor (offset by cool inquisitor fluff), high points, all your eggs in one basket sydrome.
Same qustions for any of the deathcult assassins, other assassins, or Inquisitors.
Are they worth it in these small of games?
Flat out, not in 40KIn40Minutes. The Vindicare (note the spelling ) costs over 100pts, and a bare and useless Inquisitor is another 20. You really have to make better use of your limited points in that kind of game.
In 1000pt or so games, you might be able to get away with a Vindicare or maybe a few Death Cultists, but thats because you have the room to expand the Inquisitor into something more useful and you have a couple of units of core Troops to lean on.
Are you using a lot of Grey Knights? If so then don't bring any assassin; there is nothing they can do that the PAGK squad you're giving up couldn't..and the squad has more wounds.
Assuming you are taking an Inquisitor anyway and rely primarily on stormtroopers in small games....
Avoid the Vindicare. Your opponent isn't going to bring many worthy targets to the battlefield and depending on his sniper rifle, powerful as it is, is a major risk.
Ditto the Culexus, too specialized.
The Eversor, however, would be a decent choice. Besides being the cheapest, he's useful in most every form of CC you'll encounter.
DCAs could work well as counterchargers if your troops are walking.
I have no idea about the Callidus...likely not, she's a character assasin and there are few such models in games under 1,000 points. The Eversor would do it better.
My 2 cents.
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I would say no. the vindicare is cool, but once you use him, sadly, you will probably be dissapointed in him. If you want an assassin, i would reccomend the eversor or Callidus, prefereably eversor. He can take out a TON of his points on the charge, which he usually gets, but will likely die after the first or second turn of combat, but then he blows up so he's still cool . I would reccomend against assassins in this small of a game though. In combat patrol, numbers really matter. An assassin really compromises that. In my combat patrols, I usually just go with 2 squads of 7 GK. On the other hand, you could take an all IST and Inquisitor with henchmen if you like the flufy aspects of it.
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If you want a challenge I say go for it. If you take an inquisitor with a psycannon for vehicle hunting, and a vindicare you still have enough points to take a squad of 8 GKs. This gives you two good shots to take down an important vehicle on the first turn, and 16 shots to thin out a squad. Next turn you can take down an important charactor in a squad (power weapon/heavy weapon/powerfist), and almost remove the thinned out squad with more storm bolter fire. Your vindicare can do some more damage this turn (but it will probably be his last) which wont earn him his points back, but will serious hurt your opponents ability to kill your GKs, which can shoot again and enter hand to hand.
This seems like an easy win, but when the opponent is hugging cover, and flying speeders around plans to often go so well. However I think you could win with this list, if you shot the right targets, moved to the right spots, and took advantage of your enemies mis-steps. Just because this isn't the best list doesn't mean it isn't going to be an enjoyable one to play.
In my experience, a Vindicare assassin rarely if ever makes his points back in any size game. I've seen mine waste Turbo-Penetrators and Hellfires without damaging anything, and he has singularly failed to impress every time I've used him.Originally Posted by lack0fbettername
The only assassin I'd reccomend is the Eversor; he only does one thing (killing small CC-weak squads) but he does it consistently and, most importantly, can be relied upon to act alone which leaves you free to worry about other things. Unless the enemy starts sending more squads in to assault him, thereby tying up more of their troops in an assault with a single model, or you charge him into a Combat squad, he'll nearly always break or destroy at least one squad.
I like the Callidus, she kills characters well, but she only really shines in a supporting CC role. That can be useful and would be useful if she didn't cost the same as a full IST squad with 2 special weapons, and as mEGA said you need to watch where your points are going in small games.
As for taking an Inquisitor, that's not really an issue since you can lump some heavy weapon servitors and 2 sages in his retinue for a cracking little shooty squad. Death Cultists I've never really used so I can't comment on them, but they're cheap and nasty so might be worth trying in small games.
For 40k in 40min, I wouldn't take as Assassin, and I like them. I might start to take them in a 1000pt game. In 1000pt I take an Eversor, as there is enough room for proper infiltration spots closer to the enemy. As the game points gets larger the Callidus is better as she doesn't need infiltrating spots.
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Oops. Yet another example of why you should read a post properly before replying to it. For 40k in 40 minutes and Combat Patrol-type games no, don't take Assassins of any kind
Assasins are very good in small games (500-900 or maybe even 400)
But in very small games, especially 40k in 40 minutes, they might not be what oyur looking for. All said though after having an Inq lord (needed to get assasins), and 2 troops (mybe one) you might nt ahve all the points to use them.
Here are some reommendations for assains.
-Eversor: My personal favorite, he is a close comabt maniac who charges at 12`` and can dish out 10 attacks! He is also the cheapest in points.
That said he is fairly easy to kill, use him only when you are playing low numberred armies.
-Vindicare: here is my second favorite, he can only shoot once a turn, but if you use him well he will do wel, he is NOT used for characters, he is used for hidden powerfists, he will probsbly not repay himself in points, but he will save your butt otherwise.
-Deathcults: the are ok to use if you dont have grey knights, they cost the cheapest (they are not the special assasins like eversor etc.), these guys have very ittle armour, even if it is invulnerable, they are always independent, and they are easy to kill with their low toughness, only useful in small games such as the one you are playing.
- Callidus: I hear shes great against low numbered squads such as elites (termies), she has loads of good abilities, but she is expensive and used aroun the 600-100 point mark.
- Culexus: this is an anti psyker, the most specialized of the bunch, unless your playing psyker armies he is not worth it. And he does not really do anything against Tzeentch, as they pass their psychic tests anyways, he lowers leadership (including your own guys), but he can be very useful at times.
Anyways, You will find assasins in the DH and WH dexes, your choice as to witch to ally your self with!
hope i helped
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Thanks for all the advice, its pretty much what i expected to hear.
I cant take and inquititor and assasin as allies in space marine force. So i would be forced to go with a probabaly pure DH force.
It just stinks cause 2 tactical squads, a inquisitor and assasin seams very fluffy for a 40k in 40minutes.