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Well my freind has a cheesy chaos guy of doom and its hell annoying, i would like to keep my army as balanced as possible and not written just to take his on, but if need be thats what ill probably do.
So i have to make a balanced list to defeat this in a 600 pt army. Yes, 600 pts!
The enemy is a chaos demon prince with the following upgrades.
Mark of Khorn
Rage of Khorn
and other upgrades but ill give u the lowdown of it pretty much.
Movement:Moves 6, fleets d6, charges 12.
Combat: 6+ d3 rage of khorn on the charge, with 1 reroll, Inititive 5, WS 6 i believe. 3 Wounds, toughness 5(6).
Ranged Defence: Tougness 5(6), feel no pain, 2+ armour, 5+ invunrable.
Suggested Counter Attacks
1. Tooled up grand master
2. Tooled up librarian (maybe, apparenlty i cant veil of time and force weapon them to death in the 1 turn)
3. Tooled up inquisitor lord.
4.Inquisitor with sanctuary (35 pts total), then surround him with 10 devestators with 4 lascannons. (He cant move within 3" of my inquistor, therefore cant charge me, where i just shoot him with 4x lascannons.(3s to hit, 2s to wound, 5+ invunerable, 4+ feel no pain, then he loses 1 wound)
5. Venerable dreadnaught with furious charge. (5s to hit i thinks, 2s to wound, 5+ invunerable, but he strikes back and destroys me)
6. Vindicator and hope he comes towards me.(1/3rd chance of hitting, wounds on 2's, 5+ invunerable and hes dead )
7. Terminators and hope im lucky.(i hit on 5s, wound on 2s, he gets 5+ invunerable, and feel no pain, with 3 wounds)(Lightning claws dont help much since then i need 6s to wound).
8. Alot of plasma/lascannons.(He can move 19-24 per turn so i dont get to shoot much, he just runs out from behind terrain and im in combat, bah, but if i position right.)
So comments plz, help alot.
Last edited by Cypher_Killz; May 7th, 2006 at 13:39.
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i would go with vindicator becaue all you need to do is inflict one wound and he is dead without spending that much points and it will still work in a balanced list
Just as a note WS4 hits on a 4+
The best thing to do is try and lascannon him down and then send a librarian (with familiar) up against him, you will be striking first and if you hopefully get a wound he's gonna go splat.
A venerabe dreadnaught is an idea, as you can shoot him on the way in, but the dreadnaught may only last one or two turns so its risky.
the statured lord can be scary but thier not invincible, the las plasma is a good idear but as a chaos player my biggest wories are uber characters in cc the lord with twin LC and a chappy is a crazy cobination : throw in a few meat shields and a small cc squad with jump packs and a pf and some real damage can be done. I would saty away from using a dread to comabt this threat because the lord can takem out pretty easy.
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okay first of all he doesnt get a FNP save if u ignore his armor save... so just heavy weapon the guy to death, you should be able to kill him.
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he cant feel no pain anything that ignores his armour save, in close combat, or weapons with strength double his toughness. Eg, lascannons, plasma, etc, all may wound him alright, he still gets feel no pain and invun save.Originally Posted by HavenDan
Librarian wont get the charge against him unless u pretty much sacrifice a unit infront of it.
Or even if i do get the charge
4s to hit, 6s to wound, then he gets 5+ invunerable, and apparently if i veil of time, i cant force weapon him to death.
So 6 attacks, thats 3 hits, then 0.5 wounds, then thats 0.33 chance of killing him if i force weapon him.
still risky, considering he gets 6-8 attacks, hitting on 3s, killing on 2s. Not cool.
Dreadnaught has to be venerable, to get furious charge, then i strike at I5, same as him, so i might smack him down, 3 attacks. 1.5 hits, 0.833333 chance of killing him.
But that involves sacrificing something to tie him up to get the charge.
Ill probably try the vindicator as it would be cheapest and easiest.
Normally i take a chaplain and power fisting squad, most of the time he gets the charge as he knows what hes doing. He strikes first, 5 attacks on squad, 3 on chappy.
On chappy, 3's to hit. 2.66 hits.
1.1111 chance of killing chappy, bye chappy.
On squad, 3's to hit, 3.3333 hits.
2.77777 dead guys.
Powerfist strikes back. 3 attacks.
0.833 wounds on guy. No instakill so next turn, bai squad.
Last edited by Cypher_Killz; May 7th, 2006 at 15:36.
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I may be thinking of something else, but isnt splitting his characters attacks between two units something he cant do? (chaplain as one unit and squad as another.)Originally Posted by Cypher_Killz
Why not throw whatever character your gonna be using on a bike or make sure he's behind cover? With the bike it at least adds a point to your guys toughness (cause he does not have double strength) and with cover you've at least got the better initiative. You say that theres other stuff you havent listed, which may include something like the darkblade. (making the bike suggestion useless because now his strength probably is double your characters toughness)
Wondering two things though: how is it that the one hit on the example for the chappy will end up killing him outright and how many points is this prince?
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i came up with a sick plan to destroy squads at a time. you take a libby with MoH, assault squad, sarge with powerfist, and a chappy. use the Moh on the chappy, get a max of about 8 attacks, and that is sweet if you mastercraft a powerfist.
i just decided to nickname that wack-a-mole.
how much does he cost?!, lol
keep out of his way. then after a large amount of standard chaos are down mass him, grandmaster i think is a very good choice, or units of guys with psycannons.
But... that would be alot of points, and he may die in the process:wack
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