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Can you field a regular terminator squads, bike squads and LS squads or do they have to be deathwing/ravenwing members? If I can them do I paint them DA green versus black? What are the pros and cons of making them regular DA squads?
All terminators are from the deathwing.
You can make bike squads and LS squads non ravenwing.
Pro of ravenwing units-
1) they get a jink save
2) the ability to re-roll difficult terrain tests
1) Increased cost
2) they must be black
The codex does say you can take battle company bikes and land speeders etc, but they must be painted green (where the RW are black).
In addition, non-Ravenwing Landspeeders MAY deep strike.
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Thanks, I really appreciate the feedback. In your opinions is going RW for the LS and bikes worth the extra points for jink and re-roll of terrain tests?
Only if you make an all ravenwing army in my opinion.
They cost too much to be in a normal DA army to me, since its tactical squads that win the day, not bikers etc.
Tsk Tsk. Always be sure to ask a Ravenwing player about Ravenwing.
As far as speeders go, there is no reason not to make them Ravenwing.
The best speeder variant, the LST with AC + HB costs Ravenwing players the EXACT SAME AMMOUNT OF POINTS as it costs every other space marine army. Ours just happens to get a 6+ invulnerable jink save.
So ask yourself, do you want a free invulnerable save or dont you?
As to bikes, yes they are more expensive. However, Ravenwing is about maneuverability. The jink save does come in handy every now and then but the abilityu to re-roll failed terrain tests is invaluable. Especially when pulling a reversed flank or similar tactic through heavy terrain. This is doubly true for bike heavy armies. Chances are you are already outnumbered. Why make it easier for your opnent by losing bikes to difficult terrain?
Lastly Ravenwing attack bikes still have 1 wound and a 2+ save and can come in 1 man squads. Combined with boosting that 2+ save becomes very handy. As far as dedicated shock troops for tanks or medium infantry goes, attack bikes are where its at. Ravenwing attack bikes anyway. A boosted squad of ravenwing attack bikes can soak up incredible ammounts of fire.
Last edited by Chaosbrynn; May 9th, 2006 at 15:27.
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Efficiency VS Point Cost VS Ease Of Use - Your best bets:
1) Chaplain led Assault squad - 2 plasma pistols, powerfisted sergeant
2) 8 man Devastator squad - 4 missile launchers
3) Land Speeder Tornado - HB + AC