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I recently started skirmishing my friends with my very first army (500 pts) and I haven't fielded any vehicles other than a squad of 3 sentinels that seem to be doing pretty well. I've recently been thinking about swapping the sentinels for a Leman Russ or Chimera but its really hard to justify putting all those points into one tank that can be removed with just a lucky shot.
One case in point I had a squad with a ML blow up a chaos dreadnaught (I think thats what it was) and effectively ruin my friends day. I would hate to have that happen to my only piece of armor on the board.
So, my question is this; Can you effectively field a Leman Russ or Chimera in a 500 pt game without it getting totally shot to pieces?
The short Answer
The Long Answer
Still No just with a lot more variables in there like gets through turn 1 but not 2 because as IG you're most likely going second.
Well, in 500 pts an AV14 tank might be a surprise and hard to deal with. It depends on your gaming group. If they are used to 1 or 2 Wraithlords, a Dreadnaught, LR or LRC showing up in 500 point games then you can bet they will have melta weapons to deal with them and your tank will be just a waste of points to that lucky turn 2 shot.
Conventional wisdom is that more troops win you the low point skirmishes. I frequently field a Razorback, Speeder or Raider (dark eldar) at 500 points, but nothng larger.
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Medic's got the right idea. You don't want to load 30% of your available points on a single tank. That would be like using a Baneblade in a 1500 point game (I think...).
It could be a nasty surprise for your opponent, but I would prefer not to gamble on whether he's bringing lascannons or not, and just max out with troops.
The lower the points, the more important it is to cram as many bodies as possible into your list. While still having the heavies it takes to handle any opponent.
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like the others said your enemy will get stunned like **** when he sees that Russ standing there.
i tried it one with my friend who are playing Tau in a 500 pts game he set up the hammerhead you should have seen my face i was completely stunned i had at that time 2 lascannon and 0 melta or plasma (no need to say that i lost big time since he took out my lascannons at the first chance he got) after that i was doomed.
so in general i hate hammerhead's now :rofl:.
but sure as hell you can get some victories on it, so my guess try it out and see for your self.
It's a gamble really.
I think you are better off all around with the 3 Sentinals you've been using.
If my 500 point list saw something like that on the field I would laugh.
Not because it's stupid but because it's a gamble I would win.
3 Helios XV8's will do that.
But if I had my ALT list, which also has a Hammerhead in it, the game could go to whoever destroyed the opponents tank first.
So do whatever, take a chance, be a bad@$$.
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the short answer cannot be simply no since It cant be the correct one. Think about it, its a small game, your oppoent (Im assuming is +3 armour) cannot field that many men and when you lay down a ordance template that can effectively kill 8+ men you make back your point pretty fast and disable his amount of men. Though I may not be going with a Leman Russ but rather a basilisk. With a basilisk you dont have to worry about that lucky shot fromturn one because you will be behind some sor of cover (if you're smart) so at 125 (25 for indirect) you can field a lot of trouble. But if you want mobility go with the leman russ, hes not going to field that many models to the point where 14 armour is going to be easiliy taken out.Originally Posted by socprof
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Firstly.....Unless you manage by some stroke of luck to go first (or you happen to play on some kind of freakishly huge board) your opponent will use everything they have to kill your tank on turn 1.
As been mentioned here it does really depend on your opponents mindset and whether they had to prepare the list for a wider opponent base than just you. If their army was prepared to kill IG and they knew you (ie knew you were likely to play tanks) then yes they'd be more than ready to kill you.
So yes the short answer is NO.
The Long answer is even longer than the above (ie are you playing Uberines, orks etc...)
But that of course lets you tailor your army to theirs which you have to assume they'd be doing towards yours.
I would say that taking armor in a small scale game is high risk-high payoff. If in 500 points you squeezed in a leman russ either your opponent would have no idea how to react and roll over and die, or he would smile and lascannon the crap out of the russ and burn half of your points. In larger games to insulate yourself against this you should never take just 1 armored vehicle, but at this scale you really dont have too many options,
Actually, as mentioned before, the 3 sentinels is probably your best bet, they are not infantry, so small arms fire doesn't kill them quite as quickly (note the word quite) and they are armorish enough to work as your psuedo-tank. If you really felt the urge, you could try to squeeze either a chimera or more sentinels in there to get more of an armored kick, if you really want to, although I'd say that's fine as is. Maybe draw up some lists with the options you were looking into, let us draw some criticism?
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I think in low point games a Hellhound might be quite fun. Medium armour, fun weapon. Encourages small scale but importantly FUN games.
I think a Basalisk/Russ in a small scale game switches all focus to those choices which can cripple your or their army.
Still...didn't stop me fom doing it to my DA friend a while back when he loaded up on plasma That game was interesting.
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