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I had some fun making some units up for u to have a look at
Veteran Guard commander 100 points
Some commands are veterans of hundreds of battles and fight on the front line with there men where there bravery inspires the guard to fight on far beyond the call of duty
WS4 BS4 S3 T3 W3 I4 A2 Ld10 SAVE 4+
the Guard commander comes with a bodyguard of 4 storm troopers
the commander comes with a hellpistol
storm troops may take any weapons from the codex
Iron Discipline - see codex
Any units in 12" may use his LD
Commando unit 10 points each
These storm troopers are trained to blow up important targets behaid enemy lines
WS4 BS4 S3 T3 W3 I3 A1 Ld8 SAVE 4+
unit size is 5-8
may take up to 2 demo charges at 12 points each
may take up to two sniper rifies at 8 points each
Guardsmen bikers 12 points each
Some guard units have need of fast scouts to find enemy units in vast battlefields
unit size 5 to 10
stats as normal guardsmen with +1 T and +Ld
Bikers are armed with a lasgun on there bikes
may take up to two special weapons from the codex
fast units - the bikers are very hard to hit so there 5+ save is invulnerable
may take up to two side carts per unit on the bikes with a heavy stubber at +8 points
may only take two of the above weapons
Tank hunter - 115 points
some worlds cant make heavy armour on the scale needed so cheaper units need to be found
AV 13/12/10 bs3
has a turret battle cannon made for tank hunting - S9 ap 1 range-50"
has a hull heavy bolter
Line breaker squad 8 points each
unit size 5 to 12
some armys need moblie fire teams to break the back of enemy battle lines
WS4 BS4 S3 T3 W3 I3 A1 Ld7 SAVE 5+
may take up to 1 demo charge and up to 3 melta guns or flamers
may upgrade to a vet sergeant
may take a chimera
Last edited by KOS-MOS; June 15th, 2006 at 02:29.
Nice ideas thus far, may I add to it?
Hitman-140 pts EDIT: New price seeing that some people complained about it, but some put it in a nice way....
WS2 BS4 S4 T4 W3 I5 A2 Ld9 Sv 4+
Equipment:Improved Sniper Rifle, Hitlist (see below), Cameoline
Hitlist: The Hitman has a hitlist, and such, may designate individual models instead of designating a squad. This means that even an independant character may be chosen (as they are often at the top of the list!), and he does not have to take a target priority test (he is well trained enough and usually well protected enough to not fear anything approaching him).
Improved Sniper Rifle (applies normal rules, except hits on a 2+, and wounds on a 3+)-
Rng 48" Str N/A AP 2
Cameoline: See codex
Designated Deployment: The Hitman is usually set up in a position before the battle begins, so he may set up in any position in the map. He may not move until he has wounded and killed a target (as he usually wants to stay and get the job done instead of abandoning it).
Last edited by flakdragon; June 16th, 2006 at 03:32.
KOS-MOS, The tank hunter is awesome, does the weapon use a blast template? for that many points id take it just to knock over those big things eg. Carniflex.
I also really liked the idea of bikers...thats what IG need I love the marine biker models, and some IG ones would rock my world
flakdragon, the hitman is a cool idea aswell. I keep getting visions from the godfather though hehe . The hitlist idea is really good aswell.
Great stuff guys.
I like kos-mos's stormtroop command squad. I've complained in a few threads about how we can't have BS-4 command squads. My HQ always gets laughed at when it's flailing around, trying to keep up with my grenadiers and vets. I think that we really should have something like that for all of the elitey guatrd players.
Tyranids: 2500 pts
Imperial Guard: 1000 pts
Witch Hunters: 1000 pts
I'd like to see some of the old ones back in again:
Rapier Laser Destroyers
Most of the tanks that now only come with armoured company
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That was not lost on meOriginally Posted by Abraham Lincoln
i know players on this site that play elite guard complain about this thats way i put them in there
I dont play that kind of army but if you running a strom trooper army it makes sense that they would be of the same training level of there men (maybe more so)
To put it politely, these ideas are really rather unnecessary. To be frank, most of them bite. I'm all for expanding on the Guard's options (and if you search way back when, I ran a series of "Codex Revisions" threads that were about modifying existing units to be more useful or adding new ones in), but most of these wouldn't elicit more than a chuckle and a crumpled-up submission from GW.
"Veteran Guard Commander"--White Dwarf published the rules for the Imperial Guard High Command Group. That's your higher leadership officer, the rules for different orderlies were nice and balanced, and I believe I recall Grenadier attendants as an option. The reason Command Squads don't get BS 4 might have something to do with them having access to 4 special weapons. Give them Marine ballistic skill and everyone starts having a suicide Command Squad equipped with plasma guns that can melt a Space Marine Squad in one round of shooting. Don't think so.
"Commando Squad"--For pete's sake folks, we have Storm Troopers and Hardened Vets that do this same exact thing. Sniper rifles are effective in real life but not in 40K. That's for a reason, now get over it already. Storm Troopers are elite and survive better than regular Guardsmen because they're not idiots throwing a huge IED at the enemy. When they blow something up they do it with melta bombs or krak grenades, not something that can blow them up just as well as the enemy. If you want more demo charges, go play Elysians. Pass.
"Guardsmen Bikers"--So except for the option to get a heavy stubber, how are these guys not Rough Riders? If you want the extra toughness of a bike, go for the Xeno mounts doctrine. Call it something else on your army list, but there you go. A normal human on a motorbike still ain't hard to kill. I'm all for a genuinely fast option for the Guard, but I lean towards jeeps, hummvees, halftracks, or something similar. If I can manage to find it, I'll post my write-up for such a vehicle, but Guard bikes are going to be the realm of conversions not actual unit choices.
"Tank Hunter"--We already have the Leman Russ Vanquisher and the Destroyer Tank Hunter. Is there a point to this thing?
"Linebreaker Squad"--Uhm, read the Codex lately? Last time I checked there's a unit called "Hardened Veterans" that does this exact thing. Waste of space.
"Hitman"--Flak, either act out your urges on the videogame of the same name or just buy a Vindicare Assassin. In the 40K universe one human with a sniper rifle doesn't mean jack.
As for other suggestions....
Penal Legion--Conscripts with creative modeling
Human Bombs--Doubt we'll see those in the era of political correctness
Thud Guns & Rapier Laser Destroyers--Imperial Armour has some options for artillery pieces, but I think this idea has the most potential out of anything mentioned here. Low-grade "field artillery" below the level of a Basilisk or Manticore is a decent idea I've had before. The problem lies in making the guns such that they are useful but don't step on other heavy weapons' toes. You figure out how to do that successfully, let me know.
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Just one thing about flakdragon's hitman...He is like a cheap vindicare...i don't think that is fair. Other than the fancy night vision goggles the vindicare has, this guy has practically the same stuff..Hits on a 2+ wounds on a 3+ ALL THE TIME (vindicare has special bullets so he can do it only once), camoline cloak (the vindicare's stealth suit), and he can pick people out of squads, just like the vindicare see? Except one thing...the vindicare costs twice as much!
I'm not trying to be a dream wrecker...just making a point...
Good points as always Sokhar
Veteran Guard Commander - If strom trooper armys are so elite then there going to have there own commanders that are better then normal command squads. also puting 4 plasma guns in a unit with only 5 men in it is not overpowered as 1 wound = 1 less gun
Commando Squad - these are there just to make the demo charges more usableture, but your going to take 3 vet squads right? At laest you now have a unit for a different jobStorm Troopers and Hardened Vets that do this same exact thing
Guardsmen Bikers - Who doent like bikes! (just saying there cool)
these are more of a moblie fire team, Rough Riders are for conter chargeing
they aslo have 1 more T and some rules to make them different
Tank hunter - i was thinking more of medium tank for the guard as the tanks that you mention
are far more powerful then the one i made up. the Leman Russ Vanquisher is a metla gun hit at long range and the Destroyer Tank Hunter is just a rail gun
Linebreaker Squad - there more of a close range unit then vets with there flamers, melta guns and demos. Aslo there ws4 and Ld 7 so theres somethink to set them apart
I would make them unable to drop or something similar, say they're too precious to waste on such a suicidal mission. Sokhar has a point with the 4 BS4 Plasma's dropping on people.Originally Posted by KOS-MOSCould do with a name change, make them more crazy and less professional. Like Sokhar said, elite commandos don't run at something, chuck a huge frikkin bomb at it and have the risk of it not landing in the right spot or worse bouncing back to them (Yeah, like it'd happen in real life but in the game. "Hah! Your retards just blew themselves up! Ork Kommandos are smarter!").Commando Squad - these are there just to make the demo charges more usableI wouldn't bring a tank to kill a tank. I highly doubt this would get used as a triple squad of Lascannons with sharpshooters costs a mere 5 point more.Tank hunter - i was thinking more of medium tank for the guard as the tanks that you mention
are far more powerful then the one i made up. the Leman Russ Vanquisher is a metla gun hit at long range and the Destroyer Tank Hunter is just a rail gunNot really, they are Waaaaaay too similar to veterens. i.e. BS 4, 3 Special weapons. If you were going to Include something like this, I'd drop the BS and points and turn it into a "Support" option for platoons. Something more like a special weapons team except some more bodies, and don't let it drop troop but allow it to infiltrate.Linebreaker Squad - there more of a close range unit then vets with there flamers, melta guns and demos. Aslo there ws4 and Ld 7 so theres somethink to set them apart
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