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I'm fairly new to the 40k world, been collecting an Ork army for over a year, but just recently started playing. I play with a group of friends, all friendly games atm, though we may eventually try some tournies once we finish our armies. I have 4 games under my belt with my Orks, though 3 of them are 2v2s since we don't have a house with 2 boards yet I like my Orks and working on finishing off the army, have all the pieces just need to finish em, getting bored of playing with armless unpainted Orks!
However, while working on my Orks I've been searching for a 2nd army to start up once I'm done and WH/SoB have caught my eye. I'm especially drawn to em cause they seem to be one of the less played armies in 40k and unlike the Orks they are tough (and I don't have to paint 60+ models for a 1000pt game!)
So I'm just looking for some basic feedback about WH/SoB in generl. Been browsing these boards for the past few days, but just looking for some basci info/experiences people have had with em. I've read through the Codex and love some of the unit choices WH has. MY main question at this point is I hear WH and SoB thrown around and wonder what the difference is between a WH army and a pure SoB army and what advatnages/disadvantages each has...
Last edited by Monkeyclops; July 12th, 2006 at 16:58.
Basically speaking the Sisters are a short-range shooting army in the main. At 12" and under they outmatch every other army, even marines or Tau. The basic Battle Sister is one of the best troopers in the game, since she gets marine weapons, BS and armour, but is a fair bit cheaper. They can be fielded in very large foot squads for resilience, or in Rhinos for mobility. Both have their merits although its received wisdom to go for wholly foot or mechanized.
I won't bother to go into all the many and varied units of the WH codex, there are tacticas for that. I will say though that for many the best WH list is a pure Sisters list. If you include things like Inquisitors and their retinues, assassins of any stripe, penitent engines arco-flagellants, repentia or even inducted guard you can expect downers when it comes to army list critiques. The Sisters form an efficient tactical unity based around short-range firepower with mobile and long-range adjuncts. Anything not female and power-armoured can detract from this.
Thanks for the info and clarification! I like the main idea of WH/SoB along with their fluff. Love my CC Orks and was never a real long range kind of player, so the Sister's close range decent CC with high durability sounds like it fits my style. Though I may not go pure SoB (atleast for my friendly games) as I love some of the ideas behind the Snipers, Inquisitors and the Flagellants, but we'll see. My friends and I are lenient so when I start my army they'll have no problem with me proxying pieces to test things out. Though I definetly will be grabbing a Cannoness, a decent amount of Sisters and atleast 2 Excorsists
Originally Posted by Monkeyclops
Please note that SOBs are not that good in CC. If you look closely at their stats you can see that they basically are IG troopers in power armor (and with bolters). Low WS, T, S and I are their downfall. They can shoot their bolters very well, but they cannot charge afterwards. When charged, they will usually go last, and their 3+ save is the only thing going for them. Playing SOBs you want to shoot/flame a lot, but not get in CC if possible. The marginal CC performer that we have (and some argue that it is the only CC unit to be considered as such) are the Celestians. Better WS and I, plus the auto-hit on 3+ make them a nasty surprise,especially if implemented with inquisitorial Mandate or Canoness near by...
Good Luck with your WH army! I am sure you will have a blast. This is a very characterfull army with great looking models and many choices, that might take some time to master but is deadly if used properly. One word: Flamers!
Ah thanks! Yea just rechecked their stats in the Codex, which is also why I may not go pure SoB. Those Acro-flagellants are calling my name
I do have 1 quick (noobish) question at this point though. On the sister squads, they all say 1 Sister Superior and X number of Y. Take the Celestain's for example, 1 Sister Superior and 4-9 Celestains. Now there is no stats for a Sister Superior, so I am assuming the Sister Superior is simply the same cost and stats as one of the normal units in the squad. So for Celestain's, you really buy 5 to 10 Celestains and nominate one to be the Sister Superior (same stats, but can exchange her weapons for free or be upgraded to a Veteran and take equip from the armory). That assesment right?
Not at all.Originally Posted by Monkeyclops
Each troop choice has a stat line (with cost and any special rules, and usually better I or A at least) for a Veteran upgrade. You do not need to upgrade, but you might. The point cost for Veteran is actually added on top of the cost for a regular trooper (So you are buying 9 regular Sisters, and then pay extra X points to turn one of them into a Veteran if you so chose). And most of the time you will do that to get the Faith Points...
Yea I understand the Vets, they works like my Ork Nobz, +X points to upgrade and get extra stats/gear. Was just curious if I didn't upgrade (for some odd reason) would the sister superior simply be the same cost/stats as a normal sister in that unit (in the case of my example, a Celestain), which I figure is a yes!
Course my Ork army isn't nearly finished, so I have to finish them 1st. But once they are done, or close to it, I'll lekely start on a 500pt WH/SoB army!
Correct. And actualy in case of Celestians I usually do not make her into a Veteran, since that unit can use Faith without one (and I sometimes need cheap squads).Originally Posted by Monkeyclops
A Cel VSS gets an additional attack. A Sister Superior can trade her bolter for a pistol/CCW as you mention.Originally Posted by Monkeyclops
Yes, they are a faithful unit but they are the best CC troop in a pure sisters list. I always upgrade mine to a VSS for wargear access for two reasons... 1. giving the VSS an evis with holy hatred is pretty sweet. 3 attacks with the evis hitting on 3 and wounding on 2 is worth it and 2. the book of St L is always worth having.
Awesome, thanks guys!
Oh, what about Imagnifiers? Is it worth the 20 points for the upgrade?