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I was having a chat to a guy at GW the other day, and a debate ensued about playing
Power army lists. I said that being a Puritan DH player mainly, withSoB thrown in for added spice, that Puritan DH couldn't field one. He didn't believe me, and well, maybe I'm wrong.
Personally, I don't think we can field one without it been very unbalanced.:w00t:
What's your opinions?
Last edited by Lord Yossanrion; August 26th, 2006 at 14:20.
It is very difficult to do because none of the troops are really specialized or they have their own offsets or downsides to counter this sort of thing.
For example u cant really use inquisitorial storm troopers to powergame. And as far as inquisitors go they can be pretty nasty but can be outclassed my other armies similar units for about the same points once u throw on all the bells and wistles. And even the sisters, i mean they are a good deal but they two have their own offests. Im not sayiing it cant be done but it would be difficult as heck.
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To have a "power" or "cheese" list you have to be able to overpower one aspect of an enemies list. Eg. a three Wraithlord Eldar list, is very hard to kill if you take out all the AT fire. You simply have nothing left to kill the Wraithlords.
For Grey Knights I suppose it would be something like a three LRC list with Three Termie squads, and two minimal troops in the Background? It really would be hard to do well, that is for sure.
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The real ability of the Inquisition armies is to max/min. By themselves, pure DH or WH armies are fairly balanced - great strengths, gaping weaknesses. But the fact that one can combine IG, SM, WH, and DH in many different combinations, THAT is where people get the idea that we can be overpowered. A WH or IG list with plenty of allied Grey Knights to fill the former armies' melee handicaps, for example. My own DH/IG list with four transports, two improved comms, four teleport homers, and four Deepstriking GK squads. Things like that, where you take the best units from multiple armies and *legally* combine them.
I still think that the idea of a "cheesy" list is crap. As Diggums said, what is "cheesy" to one player may be downright laughably easy to beat for another player. My army? I'm sure versus certain lists it's a killer and nigh-unbeatable force. Against others? They laugh at my mobility before crushing me What you should do is ask the GW guy to give you a list of whatever HE plays. Then make a list designed to counter it!
Hmm. Pure DH cheesy lists... Pretty much this'll come down to minimum Troops choices with loads and loads of GKT. LR/LRCs if you like 'em, or save the points for MORE GKT and Deepstrike the lot of em (maybe with TP Homers in those min IST squads). But hell, you can make that same list with SM if you like (with Scouts over IST, of course), or comparable lists for most any army.
Last edited by mEGALOMANIAC; August 23rd, 2006 at 15:39.
Powergaming is basically min-maxing like a naked =]I[= with Callidus. 2x5IST with 2 melta and Rhino as troop, or just plain 2x5IST.
Doesn't have to be uber against everything, just against what you're fighting and taking as little of everything that isn't optimal against him.
But the DH list does offer some nasty stuff like the shooty =]I[=. Not only does he boast more anti-any-infantry firepower than a full IG platoon, he also let's you take one of the nastiest units in the game- Callidus.
And then add in an unbalancing amount of GKT. Your average opponents army will only have a couple of squads able to dent a Terminator squad and most of those will be dependant on the groupleader or special/heavy weapon.
Usually that's enough for an army to deal with a squad of Terminators but what about 3x6? In a 1000pts battle.
I agree with you Guys, and that's what I told the GW Guy.
3 squads of GKT and 3 LR/LRC's would look great on the table, but wouldn't last long
against certain other army lists.
I don't like powergamers myself either, mainly because it goes against why I got into the hobby in the 1st place, for fun.:yes:
This guy just got me going, and he trashed me fairly easily. He had an IW list with 6 Oblits, a Predator, Defiler, and a, is it a Havoc squad in IW (I'm not sure).
Anyway, I still enjoyed the game, each 1 I play just makes me that little bit better.
My SoB Seraphim are really, really good.
I will ask him to give me his version of a DH power list, but I'm pretty certain it'll be what we said, I betcha, which speaks volumes about Him I think.:wacko:
Anyway, thanks for all your input. (I'm off to buy 10 more GKT and 2 LR's, NO just kidding):w00t:
Last edited by Lord Yossanrion; August 26th, 2006 at 14:21.
Grand Master Miguel Angel, if you could not use "double spaced" lines, you'd be alot easier to read. I've got rid of them in your two posts, but if you could remedy the double line spacing in the future, that would be nice.