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i am about to finish my chaos army and start death corps of kreig. im wondering if i have to follow their doctrine. the other thing is they have 6 sugestions but im only alowed 5? do i just choose 1 to get rid of.
You don't need to use Doctrines to represent those particular regiments, and they are able to use all 5+ Doctrines. However, if you choose completely different Doctrines, not only will you be restricted to just five like normal, but players may also be a little iffy with playing against you. That, and they'll be incredibly unfluffy..Originally Posted by Giant Mutant Chaos Lord (
Why will it be unfluffy if he uses the death corpse models with his own docterines Lost? People use cadian models with there own docterines all the time and no one says anything, and I fail to see how it will be unluffy using death corpse models with up to 5 docterines of his own.
To answer your question Giant, if you choose to follow a set docterine pattern from the back of the book then you only use those, and if they have more then five you still use all of them, this is the only way of getting more than 5 docterines, the downside if there already chosen and you can change them at all. If you want though you can use any 5 docterines you want for your death corpse as long as you don't take docterines which state they can't be mixed with another docterine.
Read carefully, he wants to start a Death Korp of Krieg army and use different rules than what has already been established. Its like using the Ravenguard rules when your playing as Ultramarines. It doesn't make sense and is very unfluffy.Why will it be unfluffy if he uses the death corpse models with his own docterines Lost? People use cadian models with there own docterines all the time and no one says anything, and I fail to see how it will be unluffy using death corpse models with up to 5 docterines of his own.
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Bingo.Originally Posted by Helbrecht
If he wants to use the models to represent a different army, then by all means, he should feel free - plenty of other people do the same thing. However, the fact that he stated he wanted a particular army, and to use different rules to represent them... people may get on him about that, besides being very unfluffy. I've had people tell me they couldn't use their Space Marines chapters, etc. when they didn't use the EXACT Traits listed and the likes. People could be similarly silly about IG Doctrines.
So if he called is his Army Death Korps and used different docterine you would cry about it? Just because he wants to change it up a bit doesn't make it wrong, If I called my marines white scars and used different traits other than the ones mentioned they should have then people would say it's unfluffy? There are millions of reasons something can happen, especialy for guardsmen. Since his army could have been a devision of Death korps that has been fighting and have taken on different docterines, like inluding units they normaly wouldn't be able to take, or new traits they have found to be effective on the field, or even skills like sharpshooters meaning there skills have improved over time. This would mean they have lost certains docterines because they have found them to be innafective for there missions.
One, yes, people would call it unfluffy, because it is.Originally Posted by BustaCaps
Two, at least in the case of the Space Marines, if you use Traits that aren't the ones listed in the SM codex (unless you aren't using Traits, then it's okay), then you can't technically call them the White Scars, etc. There have been tournaments/people who have refused to let people play with their armies because they had one Trait different.
I would call the armies unfluffy, but I wouldn't refuse to play them - however, there are many people who would.
I agree with Lost Nemesis 100%. If an army has rules for them than use them.An exception to this would be if you played a codex space marine chapter such as the imperial fists and used a different trait such as the ones for white scars to represent a reserve company. Otherwise you will get yelled at and be called unfluffy among other things.
Xbox Gamertag: x Helbrecht x
Those other things including, but not limited to, people actually refusing to play against you because of one little Trait or Doctrine. Don't get me wrong - I don't think that should be the deal - but people do do it, and that's what you have to realise. Is it really worth arguing/fighting about your army all day, or what? In tournaments, too, they take codex wording way too literally, and will refuse to allow you to use them as that particular army. You'd have to call them something else, etc., which isn't always such a huge deal for some people, but I would never do it. My army is about my fluff, and if I were playing Death Korps or White Scars or whatever, I'd use them as they are said to be used - I wouldn't try to argue with people or call them something different just to please people.Originally Posted by Helbrecht
So, if I start Blood pact then I have to fellow the doctrines that are specified and may not change a thing??? By the way, it counts as more of chaos rather then standard IG so why exactly should I be following the IG doctrines in this case?