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I recently tried out a LR Demolisher with plasma sponsoons and I'm surprised at how much better they are than regular Leman Russes! I played a game using my LatD as proxies for IG. I took 2 Russes, one a Demolisher with hull bolter Plasma Sponsoons and one a normal Russ with all bolters. The Demolisher completely dominated one half of the table.. At 10 more points than bolter sponsoons these things are a steal, even if they limit your mobility by a little. Even then, they don't really since you can still shoot at least one of them (which is basically like having a battle cannon against marines. You make the same rolls, after all).
Frankly I think the twin plasma cannons are more useful than the demolisher cannon. Against marines you are making the same rolls, except if you are stationary you get to make two of them and at longer range.
For normal Leman Russes, again I'm more impressed with their secondary weapons than the main gun. Three heavy bolters on AV14 is nice. The battle cannon I only use to shoot at tanks. Besides, if I just wanted the pie plate I would take Basilisks.
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Yeah the Demolisher's an IG favourite, I just park the things in cover and fire away. You do almost feel as if the main cannon is the true secondary weapon system on these tanks.
Except the battle cannon uses a much bigger blast marker, and will at the very least land on the table.Even then, they don't really since you can still shoot at least one of them (which is basically like having a battle cannon against marines. You make the same rolls, after all).You are making the same "to wound" roll, however, you are certainly not making the same "to hit" roll.Frankly I think the twin plasma cannons are more useful than the demolisher cannon. Against marines you are making the same rolls, except if you are stationary you get to make two of them and at longer range.If that's all you bring a Russ for, you're probably better off dropping it altogether. Ordonance weapons are not very useful when being fired at a tank, and for 160 points you could get six heavy bolters as opposed to three.For normal Leman Russes, again I'm more impressed with their secondary weapons than the main gun. Three heavy bolters on AV14 is nice. The battle cannon I only use to shoot at tanks. Besides, if I just wanted the pie plate I would take Basilisks.
Basilisks are good, but you will probably find hiding multiple Basilisks from the enemy a little hard without bringing other armour to plunk in front of them. For every Basilisk I'd bring at the very least a Chimera to use as a shield if necessary. Personally I like using a Russ and Baslisk in conjunction, Basilisk takes cover while the Russ adds extra cover, and covers the Baslisk's blind spot with it's own ordonance.
A good rule to work by is to bring Infantry to kill tanks, and tanks to kill infantry.
And when you're firing at a bunch of MEQs, the Battlecannon is probably going to be more effective than a trio of Heavy Bolters, especially if you're shooting at Necrons in particular.
Last edited by Triumph Of Man; November 30th, 2006 at 04:26.
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I couldn't put it any better than Triumph did.
I will add that one other drawback of the the "defensive" Demolisher is that you can't hide for a turn, then move out and shoot all your weapons, just one. With the "offensive" Demolisher (three Heavy Bolters) you can move out and shoot your three heavy bolters or your Demolosher Cannon.
Both versions to me are viable and worth taking in the right situations, I however use the offensive version more often than the defensive variants.
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I use my Demos (not "the people" ) to take hold table quarters and/or objectives. This usually makes them come to my Leman. I kit them out with a Lascannon (hullmounted) and Plasmacannon sponsons. As for that 2+ model usually spread, there are quite a few situations where they are practically base-to-base:
1. Just Deep Striked units (especially when homed around another unit)
2. Choke points
3. Forced by tankshock (got use the Chimera )
Those 20 points extra are well spend.
Yes, the demolisher is a table quarter holding beast. With the regular Russ it can hit you no matter where you go, so there really is no avoiding it, but the demolisher can be with its pidly 24" range. Since it can be avoided, unlike its cousin, people usualy do; which helps you out because you can use it to bully them around and push them where you want them to go.....untill they bring their lascannons and brightlances. Sure you have AV 14 on the front, but do you really want to risk it? For my money I would rather have another regular Russ, it may be weaker but its increased range gives it much more flexibility and makes it much more dangerous on the field.
I use two LRBT and one demolisher with plasma cannon sponsons and a hull lascannon.Quite nice really for all of that on a tank. I would rather have plasma cannon sponsons then multi meltas or heavy bolters on there.If I wanted heavy botlers I would grab a regular russ and kit it out with all three heavy bolters(Even though I don't do this)or just use heavy weapons in my platoons.They are quite nice though I will agree on.I use more of the deffensive type I guess you can say anyway.I love my tanks. :yes:
I field pretty much the same thing, two Leman Russ' and a Demolisher. I have three Russ' and the Demolisher, so I could really go all three battle tanks but I like the variety. I play defensively mostly (I am a Fantasy Dwarf player after all). Even though you can get more heavies for the same points with heavy squads, I like to do it all. I max out my heavy squads, get the two battle tanks and a demolisher, and fill in the rest with lasguns. Its true heavy squads cost less, but nothing blows an enemy's firepower like a Demolisher. Not everything comes down to point-for-point kills. A player should always consider taking away thier opponent's ability to kill. If the enemy spends all his time pingging shots off a Demolisher hull, he's not killing other softer targets. Every failed armour pen. roll an enemy makes is one less turn his unit is effective.
They only cost 10 more than heavy bolters. How is that expensive? If I kill 2 marines I've made up more than the cost of the sponsoons.Why do you like plasmacannons so? how often have met a marine player that will bunch his expensive 2+ save models together so you can convieniently whack them with a small blast. Zero in my experience. IMO they're expensive, and don't deliver much.What do you mean "if that's all." I named three things I use my Russ for in that paragraph. Scoring unit/fire magnet, dakka platform, occasional anti-tank. Please tell me what else a tank is capable of in 40k?If that's all you bring a Russ for, you're probably better off dropping it altogether.What are you talking about? They're just as likely to hit as a lascannon.Ordonance weapons are not very useful when being fired at a tank
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