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    rhinos vs. razorbacks

    i imagine this may have been talked about earlier, as we gamers love a good debate

    but i trying to understand why most folks think the rhino is the Be all and end all for transport
    (understanding this with the basic transports, LRs are another story). I feel that razorbacks have more to offer. but i am a fan of firepower, so an ideas?


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    When it comes to transports, all you want it to do is get you from point A to point B for a cheap cost and with some reliability. The Rhino has that in spades, 58 points of transporting goodness. For its points, the Rhino is easily one of the best transports.

    The Razorback is not the best transport, why? Because in order to fire its gun you have to move 6" or not all, making its transport usage non-existent. It also has no fire points and carries less troops. Razors make for excellent support for a mobile force, depositing small, specialized squads and giving extra mobile firepower, plus it can also take a missile for the Rhino carrying your killy True Grit rapid firing bolter death squad.

    Rhino
    -Cheap
    -Reliable
    -10 marines carried
    -Pure transport

    Razor
    -less marines carried
    -halfway between a Pred and Rhino in terms of cost and usage
    -if it transport, it cannot fire, if it fires it cannot transport, you only have 6 turns

    The Rhino is the best dedicated transport Marines have to offer, but that doesn't make the Razorback useless. I use them to carry smaller, support units and to support the main force with some added mobile firepower and a little surprise (plus another armor target helps with target saturation).
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    I find that the razorback is amazing with devastator squads, for you can blitz up to a good fire position, then you just blast away with the devvie weapons and the (the best choice in my opinion) twin linked lascannon.

    As for anything else, just use a rhino, because 90% of the time, the transport will explode right after (or slightly before) dropping off its cargo, therefore wasting any points you invested in a big gun.
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    I essentially use my razorback like a cheaper version of the predator, as a tank hunter. Personally, I dont see the heavy bolter aspect being that useful, max 3 small kills for a tank, whoopti doo.

    I like having my anti-armour stuff on my vehicles, seeing as I can move out of cover and fire my lascannons in the same turn that way.

    In this manner, the razorback works quite well. Also, there's a reason that the predator is often refered to as a 'one shot wonder', seeing as it will draw a lot of fire once it is out in the open. So I figure that if its going to die, it may as well be cheaper. Sure, only 1 twin shot this way, but it can also transport troops as a bonus.

    I love versatility in my marines, and thats something the razorback has in spades.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jakester View Post
    I find that the razorback is amazing with devastator squads, for you can blitz up to a good fire position, then you just blast away with the devvie weapons and the (the best choice in my opinion) twin linked lascannon.

    As for anything else, just use a rhino, because 90% of the time, the transport will explode right after (or slightly before) dropping off its cargo, therefore wasting any points you invested in a big gun.
    I agree with you on most of what you said. I just think that it should be noted that the TL Heavy Bolter has it's uses too. Especially agains Orks and infantry based IG.

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    I fight mainly 'Nids and I find the Razor back verry effective as a weapons carrier .Both with TLLC and TLHB .It all depends on what the embarked squad is equipped with .I tend to specialise so I have a five man squad with LC mounted on a TLLC Razorback, the same with HB's. I like this specialisation and I think it maximizes each squads versatility. Combine each of these squads with 1 or more Rhino mtd tactical assault squads( see Chaos Brynns excellent tactica!) and you have a force able to act as a core for any SM army. Im not saying that it always works , you have to mutually support these units but it makes a good mix of fire power and infantry .You can flesh the force out with any other units as you see fit .I even use an Inquisitorial force (Xenos or Witch hunters) as allies on occasion ! Great fun
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cadaver Junkie View Post
    I essentially use my razorback like a cheaper version of the predator, as a tank hunter. Personally, I dont see the heavy bolter aspect being that useful, max 3 small kills for a tank, whoopti doo.

    I like having my anti-armour stuff on my vehicles, seeing as I can move out of cover and fire my lascannons in the same turn that way.

    In this manner, the razorback works quite well. Also, there's a reason that the predator is often refered to as a 'one shot wonder', seeing as it will draw a lot of fire once it is out in the open. So I figure that if its going to die, it may as well be cheaper. Sure, only 1 twin shot this way, but it can also transport troops as a bonus.

    I love versatility in my marines, and thats something the razorback has in spades.
    Im with you on this one. the raozrback i own is armed with a TLLC. With TLHB its probably not going to make up its points, but a TLLC can easily with one vehicle kill.


    But i dont understand why you said people call the rhino good, most people dislike them and instead praise the drop pod (i dont though btw)
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    I use the razor back mostly.I put either a 6 man devastator squad kitted out in what ever the army type I'm fighting.I switch out the TLLC and the TLHB depending on missions,or I put a missile launcher and melta with a kitted out vet sgt to go tank huntting as well. I find both transports are worth it,just depends on how you use them and what you want them to do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ==Me== View Post
    When it comes to transports, all you want it to do is get you from point A to point B for a cheap cost and with some reliability. The Rhino has that in spades, 58 points of transporting goodness. For its points, the Rhino is easily one of the best transports.

    The Razorback is not the best transport, why? Because in order to fire its gun you have to move 6" or not all, making its transport usage non-existent. It also has no fire points and carries less troops. Razors make for excellent support for a mobile force, depositing small, specialized squads and giving extra mobile firepower, plus it can also take a missile for the Rhino carrying your killy True Grit rapid firing bolter death squad.

    Rhino
    -Cheap
    -Reliable
    -10 marines carried
    -Pure transport

    Razor
    -less marines carried
    -halfway between a Pred and Rhino in terms of cost and usage
    -if it transport, it cannot fire, if it fires it cannot transport, you only have 6 turns

    The Rhino is the best dedicated transport Marines have to offer, but that doesn't make the Razorback useless. I use them to carry smaller, support units and to support the main force with some added mobile firepower and a little surprise (plus another armor target helps with target saturation).
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    One reaosn why I see poeple not using razor backs is because they aren't really worth it. Think about it. Gun on top more expensive and it has a weak armour value which will make it week.
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    Hate to say it but i love when people take Razorbacks. As a player I think they are fluffy, and a nice model, as an opposing player I look at them as wasted points. Any time it even sticks its nose out I will paste it usually on the first shot. As a ork player I used nail it will rockets and blow the turrent off then leave it alone. When i played Iron Warriors a Lascannon shot usually took it out. It just doesn't make sense to me why people take Rhinos/razorbacks except to use them as shields for their marines IE moving terrain by popping smoke with the squad running along side.

    When people start the game with them loaded up, i just chuckle as usually i can pop 2 out of 3, leaving the marines entangled and sitting in the deployment zone. People can make the point arguement but for 70+ points your just about equaling the cost of a 5 man squad with a lascannon which can serve the same function, even better as 5 marines have more staying power then 1 Razorback with a Lascannon in my opinion.

    I know many will say that against most armies armor 11 is good, which should be the case, however in games they just don't see to hold up and i feel a Assault squad with plasma pistols is a better/more efficient games purchase- and with a chaplain will scare most opponents and become a bullet magnet.
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