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hi i am new to imperial guard and i was wondering why to players chose hardened veterans over storm troopers? which one is better to have?
This has been debated for many, many, MANY threads.
It all boils down to what you want.
These are the IG heavy infantry. They can withstand bolter fire, keep fairly mobile and deepstrike if needed. They can even take on light armour in CC since they come standard with grenades.
These guys are your forward fire base. 3 Special Weapons and a heavy weapon is a lot of fire power to stick into one squad. They die just like your normal IG, but they can throw out a ton of firepower.
This being said, next time please use the search function before posting.
Storm Troopers are better suited for Plasmas. That extra bit of Armor goes a long way if it gets hot. I usually have mine in a Chimera, so they can go out and bust some heavily armored infantry. My standard squad consists of:
5 Storm Troopers + Sereant
Chemira (Multilaser + hull-mounted Heavybolter)
Cost: 165 pts.
These guy can really do evertything (Its a matter of "what needs to be done"). I usually take them to infiltrate them in place with good cover and a line of sight on enemy tanks. Remember they REALLY need cover! My standard squad:
9 Vets + Vet Sergeant
Cost: 140 pts
thanks guys. sorry about posting on a topic that has been driven into the ground but for some reason i couldn't find it when i search. i must have been searching in the wrong place.
Which is better to have depends on the situation. For example, you need a mobile firebase of sorts and you want it to be fairly durable. So you pick a Storm Trooper squad and buy them a Chimera, that's enough firepower to worry almost every opponent.
But you'd be wasting Veterans on that, they'd be better off infiltrating in from the start and not moving around if you gave them heavy weaponry.
Generally though I'd prefer Hardened Veterans over Stormies. Same BS, cheaper points cost, free infiltration, free Deep Strike if you take the Drop Troops doctrine, more special weaponry, and the option to take heavy weapons as well.
Also, if you choose to take Carapace Armour they're only 5 points more than a full Stormie squad giving them the same saves, and consider that the Vet Sgt also has access to Officer only items for no extra cost and you have a pretty powerful elite unit.
In those Suicide Drop Troops squads they're the best value at 75 points with 3 Plasmas/Meltas and 5 men compared to a Stormie squad of 5 for 70 with only 2 Plasmas/Meltas.
I tend to like both, however, so I take the Grenadiers doctrine which lets me have the Stormies as pseudo-Armoured Fists Troops in Chimeras while taking my fill of Veterans.
I'm just going to close this, since by the sounds of things this has been discussed many a time.