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Hey, got interested in the Vietnam War lately, and since I am partially Chinese I got really interested in the Vietcong. This is not even the skeleton yet, but would it be possible to make a successful interpretation of Vietcong tactics to a Guard force?
I am talking all infantry, no veterans, pure troopers, command squads, and conscripts...a lot of conscripts. One thing I am unsure of is to use infiltrators or deep strike with the guys? Both should work for that guerilla, no defined front line/enemy feel. Hopefully would be used in a forest, but may work well in cities with buildings.
Another big factor is the anti-tank source. I could use lascannons, but that doesn't look too VCish. If I use rocket launchers it would look like it should with the RPGs used, but it is not as powerful.
Modelling is great and easy, the lasgun already looks like an SKS, and I can just make uniforms black with white heads. The only thing is how to paint wood on the weapons, possible shades of brown than drybrush with orange?
So just need help with how else to gain that more guerilla feeling, painting wood, and the lascannon v rocket launcher issue. Help is appreciated, thanks.
i reckon you should be fine with rocket launchers, though it depends who your expectin to fight, if there the type of person that regularly brings AV14 to the fight then maybe think about some way of sorting the lascannons maybe cut them down shorter, or insted of having them ready to fire, have it so the model has the lascannon strapped to there back, as if there carrying it while moving into position,
of if your making VC you'll probabley be planning to have a jungle board, or at least a few jungle pieces of scenery to go with them, so there should be plenty of oppertunity to totaly avoid things you can't deal with
Dude, I just have to say this, don't do an army themeed after any real world conflict of the past 200 years. Sounds real great on paper, in reality it always turns out badly. Had a guy at our local store in the town I moved from last year came in with a beautifully converted WWII themeed Russian army. Nearly started a fist fight with a guy from Cheslovakia who’s grandfather had watched soldiers with those uniforms kill his father. Trust me, it always ends badly.
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your ideas sound good, but the Ghost has a point. Not unnecessarily WW2 themed armies, but armies in semi-recent conflicts (Especially Vietnam) should be, well not avoided, but given some thought about who they could offend. Although, i will also point out that GW did release that Catachan range, which is loosely based on US Vietnam soldiers, but still have a very strong independent 40k inspired air to them. What i am getting at is; by all means, do the army, but just keep in mind that it is a sensitive issue, and depending were you are, Real themed armies can offend and cause problems.
Your ideas sound solid, aswell as your modeling plans. A few possible conversions would be to rig up some cool mine field markers, and have snipers in trees, which would look realy cool in my opinion. Good luck!
Last edited by Legionnaire; January 21st, 2007 at 11:26.
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Had a buddy who came up with an army kinda like this, but instead of VC it was a Jihad army. He used the Catachan Codex because the healthy mix of ambushes, infiltrate and small units that dissapeared into the shadows quickly. It was a suprisingly effective list using boody traps, snipers, and small elite squads.
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Hey flakdragon. If you army is based around geurilla tactics then I would suggest you get your anti-tank fix from infiltrating or deep striking meltaguns. You could rationalise deep strike by saying they are coming up from underground tunnels.
Personally I would suggest you include both infiltrate and deepstrike in your army, though light infantry is a bit of a marginal choice, it's a bit expensive for what it is and I think your army might be better served by something like cameleoline, though that is probably impractical if you are going for massed infantry. Jungle fighters is a good compromise between the two, but of course it wouldn't give you infiltrate.
Also, I wouldn't write off hardened veterans, they could fill a lot of roles in your army and get infiltrate and deepstrike for free (if you have drop troops), and I don't think they deviate from your fluff at all, certain squads are bound to survive engagments and become more skilled.
I do agree with the other posts about this army though, when I saw 'Vietcong' I had a bad feeling about it! Perhaps you could create an army based on Vietcong geurilla tactics but with no direct references to it, after all, it is meant to be in the 41st millenium, the chances of there being any kind of link to the VC left is pretty slim!
First off, I would like to react to Ghost and Legionnaire. Yes, people may take offense, but I would like to point out something. Indeed as you said the Catachans are based on US in Vietnam and I know few Vietnamese people who will take offense, even though many US soldiers went "outside the book". Now, I'm not trying to start a arguement here on "who was good and who was not" (mainly because there has never been a war in which this was black and white) but just trying to bring it in perspective.
Conscripts could work good, if packing a Commissar. Luckily, the Commissar looks pretty North Vietnam-ish. For their price they are one of the best tie-up units in the game, no questions asked!
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Modelling wise you have to have the rice paddy hats. I wouldnt worry too much about offending people. The case mentioned above was a pretty rare incident and the czech guy was probaly on drugs...If that was the general case then we couldnt have games like flames of war because Czechs would be punching all of the russian players(and there are alot of RUssian players). Poles would be punching German players, Frenchys would be punching German players too and so on so forth. If anyone takes it personal just tell them to cool down and that youll play thema game so they get a chance to kick the VC's butt.:yes: Perhaps you should use the Catachan rules? They are pretty close to a VC style of warfare. Be sure to post updates and whatnots. Oh and i wouldnt worry abour the lascannons...just convert it and make it look less high tech...and for painting wood, all you have to do is start a brown base and then draw thing lines running in one direction of a darker brown of to creat grain lines. For an ak-47 style wood iw ould suggest something along the lines of vermin brown lined with scrowched brown.
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Alright, thanks for the replies.
About the topics, first off, I may want to have a deep strike army, simply because of the pure random ability of popping up anywhere just like a guerrilla would to the opposition. Infiltration will be used by the now acceptable veterans to show their prowess and such. Now, I will have loose command squads, and not spend too much on them. I am also including veterans, so now the main decision is pivoting on how to take up the anti-tank problem. I won't be using vehicles, unless convinced otherwise, and I am either shifting towards melta-guns or a large quantity of missle launchers. I am definitly going to have to pick up a basilisk (yes I know, contradicts my earlier statement), to help in dealing with the sit-n-shoot armies, and I know the VC used them. The wood effect idea will definitly be tried with the colors mentioned. Other than that I have the deal of going mostly massed basic drop troop infantry.
On the sensitivety note, if things go down bad then I can try to spend more money on those horrid desert looking guys, and say it was the Afghanistan war. I just hope it won't offend any Russians, although the chance of a Russian being offended at my club is much less than an American getting offended.
I'd really recommend using Catachan rules, myself.. You may not have the most effective army around, but it's full of fun little bits and pieces like booby traps and lone snipers which have a very VC feel. Not to mention the ambush rules, which are far more representative than deep strike rules (for one, your 'ambushing' units won't randomly die if they land in the wrong place.)
The first thing I'd think about is whether you want to have an army representing vietcong style guerilla forces, or an army representing North Vietnamese forces in general. I think an actual guerilla force would be much more fun and allow for much more diverse modelling opportunities. Plus you avoid the problem of having uniforms, uniforms are very evocative. From your notes, it sounds like you're leaning more towards an organized NVA style force. I'd suggest reconsidering, you don't need basilisks.. use demo charges.
If you live in the States, I would probably advise being careful, as people have said. I don't think many people elsewhere care much about the vietnam war any more, but if people have had direct experience it could be quite upsetting. Never forget that we're talking about a genuinely atrocious war in which both sides abseloutely despised one another, many horrible things happened. The key here is 'based on.' While they probably shouldn't, people will be upset if you glorify a cause or historical faction which they dislike.