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me and a friend from school were wondering about a space marine horde army:w00t: i know this may sound to some of you but if you think about it 60+ marines would be cool we'll keep workin on it but any ideas or addons to this thread would be great:wacko:
Hardly a horde army, but yeah its possible.
In a 1500 army, if you scrimp and save you could eek out around 55-60 models in your army.
Its fairly easy in an 1850 list, with a tank here or there.
Mind you, this is largely heavy infantry, so one or two tanks is probably the max.
I played a SM horde army for quite a while.
I had 70+ marines in 1500 points. I maxed out on Tacticals and added some Devastators. No vehicles and a 33 point leader (that was 3rd ed.) This army can work quite well in certain scenarios and against certain opponents (played a Saim Hann player and he killed 30+ marines and I still had more than half my army ).
So for sheer staying power this army is great (just don't forget to set up your guys in a bit of cover)
The problem is that in certain scenarios you just need some fast moving and/or hard hitting troops. And then you need to invest in something more expensive (Termies/Assault Marines/Vindicator or a tasty HQ choice) which of course will reduce your overall head count.
So a happy mix is probably the best way to go (which is what most of the players here do, from what I gather). Lots of infantry with a few specialist units/vehicles thrown in for good measure.
Try searching for the "no tanks/no vehicles" threads for similar discussions.
Shut up and play.
Black Templar is probably the best army to do this with. They can have up to 20 guys in one squad, and they move forward every time someone shoots them.
Kinda related, but Alpha Legion is a very good solution for this.
With infiltrate on the cheap, it's actually a liability to take vehicles. My army at 1500 contains about 53 marines and 2 obliterators.
I've found that despite the marines being modestly armed, it actually makes me get my points worth out of them.
As the entire army is infiltrated or deepstruck, it's kinda mobile, but not in a conventional sense.
Just Marines... harder to get horde status, and as stated, you might have some issues if you don't have ways to position your guys into forward spots.
My current list that I'm working towards has 71 models... 41 power-armored Marines (mostly infiltrators & assault marines) plus 30 Scouts (infiltrate!)... HQ is a jumpy pack Reclusiarch for the assault marines. This is at 1500pts exactly.
Alpha Legion was/is my inspiration for building my infiltrate-y Ultramarines list... so if you don't want to be a traitor, you can look up what the Alpha Legion can do & try to steal some of their tactics.
EDIT: Easier to go the Infiltrate-y way with Traits. See but don't be seen? I forget the name... plus Cleanse & Purify to take 2x Special Weapons, like the traitors can. The issue with this is that the traitors can do this tactic far cheaper, especially Alpha Legion traitors... however, they have different options than a loyalist Space Marine chapter, so simply copying an Alpha Legion list is not exactly what you would want to do anyway.
Last edited by eater of corn; January 25th, 2007 at 19:49.
Not a horde necessarily. But that really isn't many especially if you are versing a guard army. You will not be doing to well.
I can see how this could be effective but it will have it's downs. I haven't myself fielded alot of marines but I do know how it will turn out. If versing a tau army you won't out shoot them. But many marines could be really effective.:yes:
Against mech tau, not a chance they will out shoot you, then once you get to the red zone they load up and reposition.
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Before you go off making a hoard of marines - consider a hoard of chaos marines.
However, if you want lots of models instead of taking a whole bunch of marines to ensure that most of them get to the enemy - rather invest in drop pods. And bomb your opponent with marines.
6 full tactical squads of marines is quite a lot to force onto your opponent.
You could have 6 full 10 man tactical squads with drop pod, powerfisted sgt, and melta gun for 1320.
If you played 1850, you could easily add a command squad and dreadnought, or a terminator command squad.
If what you want to do is march across the board with just to many models, i suggest chaos alpha legion or night lords.
Night lords can give you a plus 1 cover save, for the same cost a space marine. Alpha legion can give you infiltrate for the same cost as a space marine. And either can give you a bolt pistol or bolter, 2 special weapons, a veteran sgt with better leadership, and way more upgrades then a normal space marine veteran, who would cost less if you gave them the same skills.
There's also a nice heavy weapon arrangement plus Mark of Chaos undivided which is simply superb.
Added to that, Aspiring champions can get a lot more powerful than vet seageants. And the squad number is up to 20.
Chaos calls you.