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how would suicide bombers look in an ig army? like the Russian death squads of world war 2.
No.= 3-10 death soldier and 1 commisar (optional) (does not count on commisar limit)
Weapons: laspistol and suicide bomb. Comissar has laspistol and close combat weapon.
PTS WS BS S T I W A L sv
Death Soldier 6 3 3 3 3 3 1 1 4 6+
Commisar 20 3 3 3 3 4 1 2 7 4+
Frag grenades: +1 pt per model
Whip: + 5 pts (only commisar may use)
Suicide bomb - works the same way as a demo charge, only strength 6, ap 4. once used, the guardsman dies. IF a guard is killed in a shooting phase, role a d6. on a 1 or 2 the suicide bomb explodes and each suad member suffers a wound on a role of a 4+. The suicide bomb may be used in close combat, only then it does not scatter!:w00t: If the squad is caught in a sweeping advance, all the bombs automatcially explode.
Suicide Commisar- commisar charged with leading a suicide squad due to lack of motivation. If a leader ship(includes tank shock and pinning tests) test is needed for any reason, the commisar can execute a squad member instead. If the commisar is killed, the squad must take a leader ship test every turn. If they fall back, the Ig army must shoot at them to stop them from escaping if they are closer than any enemy unit.
Whip- The squad may use fleet of foot.
Any feeback would be well appreciated!!!!
There we go, suicide bombers without the need of any madeup rules. ;>
EDIT: Because some people are terribly touchy about the similiarities between a suicide bomber ingame and a suicide bomber in real life, I'd say this is a bad idea. Pretty much every thread based on a real life unit, idea or event had turned into a mess.
EDIT2: I doubt any Commisar would sacrifice himself like that aswell, they go through years of training in order to become what they are and are pretty much always more valuable if they stay alive and keep the men in line instead of sacrificing themselves like your rules describe.
Feeback on this unit only pliz
The commisar has failed his job to a command squad, and if he has to do this or have a bullet in his head. He is a bit like a last chancer commisar
Last edited by Imperator101; January 31st, 2007 at 10:19.
I agree with Kaiser.
If you want feed back on the unit, I think that it is pointless. And read Kaisers feed backagain.
It's worth a krak!
"Hey.. commisar, I saw you running away at that last battle."
"Heresy! Vile heresy.."
Which is precisely why you don't give someone a mandate to kill anyone they like unless they can be trusted.
There are mentions of Imperial suicide bombers in the fluff (specifically, the old eldar codex) but those ones aren't IG, they're ecclesiarchical fanatics. How does a unit with leadership 7 have the courage to kill itself?
Actually, I find the idea of fanatical suicide bombers very fluffy indeed. However, I would see them more as individuals rather than a squad or team, and they shouldn't be guardsmen but rather religious fanatics or flagellants.
Their rules might look something like this:
0-1 Flagellant Martyrs
Number/squad: You may include up to three Flagellant Martyrs in your army. They count as a single Elites choice but may set up individually and act as individuals in terms of gameplay.
Weapons: Laspistol and Martyr Demolition Charge (see below)
Born to die: Flagellant Martyrs are born to give their life for the God Emperor. Their entire life has merely been a journey towards their inevitable end. They have no fear of death or wounds and therefore automatically pass all morale and pinning tests.
Fanatical charge: The soul purpose of a Flagellant Martyr is to engulf the enemies of the Emperor in death and fire. This extreme fanaticism pushes the Flagellant Martyr to continue his charge dispite fatal wounds.
If a Flagellant Martyr is within 12" of an enemy unit at the beginning of the enemy's turn and he is killed by enemy fire (or assault), roll a D6. On a roll of 4+ he will throw himself forward 2D6" with his last breath and set off his Martyr Demolition Charge. If the roll is 1-3 he will set it off where he stands.
Once a Flagellant Martyr has set off his charge he is counted as a casualty and removed.
*Martyr Demolition Charge:
Notes: Ordnance blast (large Ordnance template)
The Martyr Demolition Charge is used in the assault phase OR in the opponent's shooting/assault phase as described above. Place the template's centre on the Flagellant Martyr. All models covered by the template are hit automatically. All models partially under the template are hit on a D6 4+.
While agree the idea would be neat, I also agree that it's a sensitive issue in today's geo-political climate. Also, isn't being in the IG suicidal enough? I mean, nature's ultimate kller is bearing down at you with nearly more teeth than can logically be packing into a living creature, and claws able to cut you in half with barely a flick, and you're gonna come up against it with a flashlight and a jacket consisting of multiple layers of a Kevlar-like fabric? I'd call that suicidal enough!
I definitely suggest you go with Bobahat on this one. By calling them something fluffy like Flagellent Martyr you can have your suicide squad without upsetting any opponents who might have lost someone close to them in a real life attack.
... only triumph could turn pooing his pants into a good thing..
Am I nuts or do I remember seeing a "human bomb" figure on eBay once?
Some of you old timers know what I'm talking about? It was an IG model...
We all carry on,
When our brothers in arms are gone.
So raise your glass high
For tomorrow we die,
And return from the ashes you call.
Yes, this is true, the IG had human bombs under the Rogue Trader rules. Essentially there were an offshoot of penal legion. Convicts had the opportunity to gain absolution in the eyes of the Emperor by becoming a human bomb. If they survived the battle (not likely), they were absolved of sin by the Emperor. If they died, eh, the Emperor willed it to be so. Squads of human bombs were ran around the battlefield with an Adeptus Mechanicus minder, who would detonate a human bomb at his whim. Not bad if you wanted to charge into close combat, then detonate 2-3 of them, would be particularly nasty against, say 'nids or Orks. I would imagine they phased them out when suicide bombings became a means of attacking civilian targets in the real world. But yeah, there were models....