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Forgeworld has released a new variant of the Leman Russ as part of their Death Corps range. It's a basic Leman Russ, slightly cheaper with a twin-linked Lascannon rather than a Battlecannon. I was wondering what people thought of this variant? Here are the rules:
Personally I love this tank, although it may not have the raw firepower of a Battlecannon it is FAR more accurate, particularly when moving, and it can fire it's defencive weapons as well as it's main gun, which gives it that extra weight when dealing with MEQ squads.
Personally I would have this equipped with the 3x Heavy Bolter loadout to take full advantage of it's ability to move and fire all weapons.
I'd like to start a discussion on the effectivness of this tank and how people would use it.
Nice idea but what really kills the tank is the lack of lascannon sponsons as the heavy bolters would be useless on a tank hunter. Why pay that much for 2 lascannon shots a turn when you could get two full squads of guardsmen with lascannons and still have points left over.
The Vanquisher is a much better tank hunter.
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Well, 4 lascannons, one TLed, would have been kind of nasty. Even with no sponsons and two LCs it can shoot one with Bs 3 and one with Bs 3.5, which gives quite the chance to hit and damage soemthing. Altough it's probably a little to expensive (as with all FW really...).
I like the principle of this a lot. A quality anti tank Leman, other than the Vanquisher. However, prehaps they should produce a battle cannon predator to return the favour? Seems right to me.
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LOL Von Rimmo! If I were a marine I would probably tell them to keep it, waste of BS4!
Yeah you are probably right about it being a mediocre tank hunter for the points, but I think there's something to be said about the fact that it's far more accurate than a normal Russ or even a Vanquisher, and it is a much cheaper tank hunter than the Vanquisher.
By the way, it's far greater than BS 3.5 Camel, BS3 twin-linked is the same as BS 4.5, BS 3.5 would be the equivalent of sharpshooters.
I suppose the way I see this tank is as an Exterminator with a more threatening turret weapon, but I suppose the Autocannon suits the HB's much better, this cannon would have been better suited to a stand and shoot Demolisher.
Last edited by Xethemez; February 10th, 2007 at 15:07.
The tank really wouldn't be too bad if it weren't for the guards ability to take massive amounts of heavy weapons in thier infantry squad and and all the different variations of weapons squads, such as tank busters (LC's and ML's), special weapons, mortar, ect. I really wouldn't use this varriant so much since if I wanted a tank hunter, Sentinels are a much cheaper, although weaker option. Plus Sentinels are a little more mobile, so they can fit in areas that the LR couldn't.I personnally just use my tank buster squads, since they are cheap, and can be put in cover, and/or behind other units so as to keep them alive for longer(much cheaper). Use the Leman Russ tanks to carry sponsoon weapons that your infantry can't carry such as the battle cannon and demolisher.
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I really like the idea of it!:tongue:
It is much better priced than a Vanquisher, and is better armoured than a SM Predator. It is more mobile than any infantry squads we have and would be a nice fit in any mechanized Guard army (to which I am quite partial:wacko: ). Vanquisher rounds are also not able to be used against many a target, ( like Monoliths for example ).
I certain think it would another tool in shed for an IG General worth considering.
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I'm with Diggums Hammer on this one, this tank looks pretty slick. I like the idea of the Annihilator being implemented on a Russ platform. I'm thinking of building one myself sometime soon...
Really, I think I'm just a fan of twin-linked weapons for the IG, heh. (Yay Exterminator!)
Don't get me wrong, the guard can use all the twin linked stuff we can get, but I am just such a big demolisher and battle cannon fan, well I am a fan of ordnance period, but especially high strenght low ap value ordnance. As far as looks go, I think it does look good, but I just wouldn't see myself using it even if it had the best chance of getting that twin linked lascannon across the field. The one time I see myself using this is if I played an armoured company, since I wouldn't have any other options for Lascannons other than hull mounted, and this would give you better anti-tank support than would any other variant. In the end, I might end up having to get one, but for the use specified above, not to put with my infantry packed army.
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I think you might find that this tank will compete for position with the exterminator/conqueror in most armoured companies. It performs almost identically to both tanks, is priced between the two, and is more effective in an anti tank role than both. If only taking into consideration the triple heavy bolter versions of each, the differences are so close that it will probably boil down to personal preference and points. Personally, I think it is a far better buy than a conquerer, but as to being better than an exterminator? Hard to say... It is marginally better at killing marines than an exterminator, but thats what we have battle cannons for. The exterminator still kills anything with a 4+ save or worse better than the annihilator. The annihilator can handle some things that an exterminator simply cant however, and at such a similar points cost, may just become this fan boys new favourite.
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