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The Callidus's neural shredder uses the oppenents leadership right? Does it use majority leadership to determine wounding or does each model take its own roll? ex. Marine command squad with a commander. The majority leadership would be 8 so wounding on a 4+ so granted and its a big if i roll a 4+ on all my rolls due to majority toughness/er... leadership would the commander take a wound instead of being wounded on a 6+
I would say so.
But only if his special rule that allows marines to use his Ld doesn't apply in this situation.
The leadership is based on each model. So if the Veteran Sgt is LD9, then a 5+ is kill him and the rest of the squad is killed on a 4+.
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Would this not be the same thing with the neural shredder? Only, instead of majority toughness, it's majority leadership?
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I'd say you use only the majority Ld characteristics of the unit. thus the Ld8
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I thought all Leadership tests were based on the highest leadership in the squad (unless modified by something like the WH Book of St Lucius, which can change that).
The problem I see is that the DH 'dex states that it uses leadership instead of toughness (which goes by majority rules), but uses an example with a single model. Could go either way...
Originally Posted by Montford981
I would say its of the Units leadership... if there is a Vet in the squad they are stronger for it. It is the same with the Eldar mind war.
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i know the following situation is quite different, but.... bare with me now...
gaunts test on their Ld 5 because the Neural Shredder flays the neural and nervous systems of each individual creature.
i know synapse fearlessness and having Leadership 10/9/8 are totally different things, but the reasoning behind it makes me believe that each individual hit by the template has a much more 'personal' battle to resist the Shredder from flaying their individual minds (same with eldar mind war, see my edit below...)
hence, i think, Diggims has hit the nail on the head roll for the seperate Ld groups within the said unit.
but as i said, i wouldnt argue either way, because it both works. maybe Diggims' way is a bit more 'Assassin-ish', a free bargain thrown-in with the Callidus' already formidable assassin abilities......but i reckon either way is correct. you Blokes can fight it out:tongue:
EDIT: Luke Harvey, u say a 'mind warred' model also would recieve the benefits of increased LD from an outside influence? i thought a model that was targeted by mind war could only use its own Ld, much like my gaunt example concerning the neural shredder.... i never thought a model could have increased Ld when targeted by mindwar... or neural shredder.....
Last edited by jONESIE; February 16th, 2007 at 11:42.
LO RULESOriginally Posted by Jaffar_Hasad
i have used both ways(different opponents)
IMO that individuals Ld makes more sense