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So the more i think about different chapters, i start to see that the Ultramarines really are the only "true" marines, in that they can do most everything reasonably well. What i wonder is why people mock and dont care for them as much as i think they deserve. Maybe im just crazy. lol
Exactly that. They do everything reasonably well. Which means, in turn, they don't do anything exceptionally well. They don't own melee combat like Blood Angels or Templar, they aren't quite as shooty as the Dark Angels, aren't as manuverable as Raven Wings, aren't as feral and fierce as Space Wolves, etc. etc.
Not to say they're bad. They're not. They're just not special.
I think the ultramarines are actually quite good - and like any marine army, they can still be taylored towards certain types, such as more shooty, more hth, more balanced. They excel at balanced, however, which in my mind is a very good thing - seeing as sometimes you never know who you are going up against next. I also feel that tayloring your army vs a specific opponent as a little unsporting.
However, I personally feel the main reason people might pick on ultramarines is the fact that they seem to be the most commonly fielded marine army out there. Or at least where I'm from they are.
And most of those armies are in the hands of newcomers to the game as well, which may perhaps give them an incorrect reputation of being more easily beaten.
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Personally, I hate blue.
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A lot of newbies play smurfs, which tends to incur the ire of the vets since it's rather unoriginal. And using Ultramarines blue looks horrible from an inexperienced painter compared to the hands of a good painter who is probably using regal blue.
Having an army and not owning a rulebook is like owning a car with no steering wheel.Originally Posted by amishcellphone
It was mostly a 3rd edition problem. You where either an ultra boring marine, or a non-codex chapter (which actually meant you get a codex of your own, such as DA/BT/BA/SW, Ironically.)
With the trait system, that allows players to really have different rules from ultra marines, thus allowing the true ultra marine lovers to shine, and it also helps shoot many of the newbie players into tactically stupid, but cool sounding chapters, like raven guard, or Iron hands.
But, if you run across an army which looks poorly painted, and is ultra marines, they are almost certainly a poor player, and thus ultra marines have earn a reputation for being bad. As it currently stands, they are probably better then DA/BTs, and almost as good as space wolves, while blood angels are probably the best, but are about to get the [Expletive Deleted] nerfed out of them.
They got that whole boyscout - "won't do anything bad" vibe going.
+GW highly favours 'em, which makes them even more naff.
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Ass cannon jealousy. That's what I say it is.
Also, their primarch was a bit of a jerk to be honest. He didn't really do anything exceptional. Except get beaten by the Alpha Legion. That was pretty cool.
Aah.. Fulgrim got him in the end - you're quite right.
But after he allegedly killed Alpharius, the Alpha Legion kicked his blue behind rather thoroughly.
OK, so he was defeated by two Chaos Legions then.