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Once upon a time there was an amazing whirlwind tactica up here at LO. I believe it was written by Chaosbrynn and entitled "Death from above and below." While searching for it this morning I see it listed in the tactica section as an "in progress" work, despite it being up and readable around six months ago. Does anyone happen to have an old working link that would take me to it or did anyone happen to make a text copy of it? It was far and away more useful than the current whirlwind tactica that is up.
i agree, i was looking for it the other day aswell, would also really appreciate it :c
all i remember about it is a part of the castellan guide where he suggested you fire them at your own troops, say a devsquad and when they get charged the chargers would have to take wounds from the mines first, and i was concerned about if it was really legal...
As someone who uses whirlwinds a great deal, no, its not.
Ordnance templates cannot be placed such that your own units are beneath them. Shooting it near them and having it scatter however is kosher. The castellan has an advantage over the vengeance insofar as in clustered situations, the vengeance is nearly useless, whereas the castellan can be flung around by targetting unoccupied pieces of real estate and hoping it'll scatter somewhere effective.
But Castellan mines, are mines, not ordnance. It simply creates a mine field. I'm not sure this is the best tactical idea. They only way they could be useful is if the enemy is in weak armor, and massed troops, on a small baord, 4x4, any bigger, like standard 4x6, and the mines can probably be avoided with ease.Ordnance templates cannot be placed such that your own units are beneath them. Shooting it near them and having it scatter however is kosher. The castellan has an advantage over the vengeance insofar as in clustered situations, the vengeance is nearly useless, whereas the castellan can be flung around by targetting unoccupied pieces of real estate and hoping it'll scatter somewhere effective.
Anyway, I've been complaining about the lack of tacticas for a long time, but no one seems to do anything about it.
just thought of a followup question; how does it affect skimmers and jump infantry? are they affected if they pass through the minefield?
Minefield or no, its still classified as 'Ordnance barrage' and thus cannot be centered such that the blast template covers your own men.
Jump Troops and Skimmers are affected NORMALLY by the minefield. Meaning it blows the living crap out of them. Think of them as smart mines, flying smart mines, with gellar fields, and immortality (unless someone floods grotz on them).
An instant, strength (read thy codex) hit on the rear armor is something skimmers of any variety generally don't enjoy. I can promise you though, the first time you play Eldar or Tau and they blunder something over your minefields, you'll need to pull out your codex to the relevant page however.
In a city-fight scenario, the castellans are the high king of whirlwind loadouts, as they can gum up roads very well. And while they have no armor penetration, the damage they inflict is still somewhat significant (my castellans have earned themselves an impressive tally of dead terminators, immobilized leman russ tanks, destroyed jetbikes and the like).
Forget not, they are ordnance barrage type. Meaning any poor shmuck unit that takes a casualty in one has to make a pinning test at a penalty due to the damage being from ordnance.
Castellans are nice for controlling the battlefield. It's not that powerfull, but I find that players will avoid the mines anyway, so you can often force them to move the way you want. The mines definitely hit skimmers and jump infantry.
I'll see what I can do about getting it moved over sooner rather than later.