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Perhaps this belongs in the armylist section, but I con't decide...
Last Friday and the week before I played a kid at my usual club. He's 8 (I think) and plays chaos. I'd say he has potential, but he needs to get his head screwed on strait. The first time I played him he played Nurgle marines wit ha chaos lord w/manreeper and 20 plague marines. The second time he played a slaneesh army, a chaos lord (tooled up quite a bit) and 20 noise marines.
I used this army (500)
Frost Blade, Bolt Pistol
4 Wolf Scouts
Melta, Plasma Power Weapon, Frags
6 Grey Hunters
True Gritted, Power fist
8 Blood Claws
Rhino, 2 Power fists
Now knowing that I'm not a chaos player, I figured they were legal lists. I was wrong when I was confused at one point and wanted to see what exactly he had on his lord. I don't remember the entire build, but he then realized that he was using his 750 list. I thus connected the list to his previous list and it too was for 750.
The previous week I had won with a solid victory. When I realized he was using an illegal list, I had him remove 4 marines, because he only had a few remaining. I'm sure I could have ripped his posessed flesh to pieces, but I didn't feel like making him remove the remains of his army from the table. I wanted to give him the chance that he wouldn't have.
In the end I won the second game with a crushing victory. Next time I play him I'm going to make sure he's within the points alloted, or I won't play him. Also since I looked through the chaos 'dex, I now know more about them and know how the work more than I did.
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Your proud of a crushing victory over an 8year old child?
Unless you're under 10, i'm not impressed
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8 year olds can be fun people to play but they need to be watched to know if they are playing legitly. If i was in the position where i they over did the point limit, i would let them play through and basically tell them to watch the points. After the game i would suggest ways that he could have shaved the points off. Something like: "Nurgle marines are extra tough and hard to kill, therefore you have to field less to make the game fair. If you remove the manreaper and downgrade the lord then you will have more points for nurgle marines without going over."
40k is a simple enough game that yes, 8 yr olds can play it, they may need help (as you've pointed out) with some of the finer points of the game such as building a good/competative list and grasping some of the finer points of strategy. I think any new person would appreciate that. the overall mechanics and basic gameplay could be played by anyone - I think that's part of what appeals to a lot of players. Chaos is probably a good choice for a beginner, because they don't have to worry about some of the more intricate details. Most of their units do pretty much the same thing. They don't have to worry about pinning and psychology as much either.
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Well if you forget for a second that about the age, he did beat a 750 point army with a 500. I hope thats what he was chearing about.
Yes, the CSM codex is complex, and not one I'd reccomend to beginners. I agree with most everyone that beating an 8 year old is not something to be "bragging" about, but I'm giving aether here the benefit of the doubt. Its not about the individual he beat, but rather as suggested, it was about beating a list 1 and a half times the points value of his own(probably with other illegalities of construction too).
I myself have brought up with pride, beating that "12-15yo" who is playing an illegal chaos list, because let's face it, when you start to accidentally cheat with chaos, it gets rediculously powerful, not just a little more than intended, either(can we say: infiltrating, statured, flying berzerkerglaived lord with terminator armor and daemonic mutation x6, anyone.. yes I played a kid(15 years old) with a daemon prince like that. And, when I FINALLY killed his DP I rejoyced.
In the end it depends on how you handle that victory. I, myself before and after every battle with a youth, take the time to ask whether he either would like advice during the game, OR, whether he would like a strategic "debriefing" on how he played, or both. I've spent several hours after a game once, going over "the yak's strategy 101" with a kid(that turned into 4 kids after a while) and I don't hold back for(most) any oponent. Kid of all ages, I warn them that I play fair and square,but if they like I will teach them how to do well in the process.
I believe soundly that, THAT is the best way to learn.
I don't think that aether jumped up and down, danced and laughed in the 8yo's face and making the kid cry, but I mean, most of us have probably come upon a similar situation and felt pretty dern good about knowing that quality, and good strategy can beat overwhelming odds any day of the week.
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I'm 18, I knew next to nothing about chaos until this past Friday.
Obviously he hasn't figured it out all the way, he doesn't understand the upgrades and that a single upgrade does one thing, not 2.
I'm not bragging about beating the kid himself, as you mentioned, just the fact I won with the point deficit.
I didn't celebrate my victory in the way that you figured I didn't. Had it been a fair game, then there may have been room for celebration for the margin of victory, but that's it.
repped for understanding.
Man, kids. They're crazy. I remember when a friend of mine started Space Marines he glued all the shoulder pads on sideways because it made them DBZ-style and he thought it looked cool. Stupidest models ever.
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