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Just wondering about the wording on the topic of true grit in the DH codex. I always thought(from my friends nurgle army) that a model with a bolter(in this case a storm bolter) and ccw always got 2 attacks, 1 base and one for 2 weapons, but then not getting the +1 for charging. Now when i looked in the DH codex it says that they get the bonus for 2 CCW's, but only if they dont charge. Well, if they shoot off their storm bolters and then charge, do they only get one attack then since now you lose the charghe bonus due to the TAR? I'm really confused about this.
So i guess its not worth shooting then?
shooting or not depends on the enemy, but i woudl suggest shooting most of time
this is beacause u will only lose 1 S6 AP- attack but gain 2 S4 AP5 which against alot of enemies will be better than the extra attack
it is all personal perference
It depends what you're about to assault. If it's a horde type unit, with a lot of low-T models, I shoot then assault. The two low-S shots will be more useful than one extra attack later. If it's a squad of higher-T models, I don't shoot, because higher-S attacks will be more useful here.
what about your basic space marine enemy or CSM enemy? Not taking into account psycannons/incinerators?
I'd say don't shoot, as the S of stormbolters is too low to be overly effective against power armor. Take the higher-S attacks.
Yes but it is double the amount of attacks. I'll try and do some basic math(not that good but Ill give it a whirl). Ill just the calculations for the 1 CC attack and 2 shots. I know that either will be followed up by another CC attack but thats a given.
10 grey knights against your basic marine
9 attacks=6 hit, 5 wound, 1.6 dead marines
1 justiciar attack=.6 hits, about .5 dead marine
So thats rounded to 2.1 dead marines when not shooting.
20 shots=13.3 hit, 4.4 wound, about 1.5 dead marines
I guess not shooting is the best bet against marines by 0.6 kills
But now against guardsmen
9 attacks=6 hit, 5 wound, 3.3 dead guardsmen
1 justiciar attack= .6 hits, about .5 dead guardsmen
That rounds to about 3.8 guardsmen
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20 shots=13.3 hit, 8.8 wound, 8.8 dead gurdsmen
Here its an overwhelming favorite for shooting. Thanks for everyone that responded.
where do I find TAR rules? GW download? White Dwarf?
If you shoot instead of assault, do you then consolidate? Or are you now in the hands of the enemy to decide the same in their assault phase?
Because if you stay 6" apart and choose to shoot. Then enemy assaults in their phase, you get true grit bonus (base to base) since you didn't charge. Right? Or does TAR rules remove bonus attacks as a penelty for shooting?