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I was at the store recently and witnessed a brutal game of warhammer. It was a 2v2 battle at 1500 points.
On one side were 2 brothers who had just started playing. One had bought a tau battle force while the other bought a necron battle force. They did not know the rules too well or the strategies that were required to be successful.
On the other side were two of our store veterans who had massive numbers of models to choose from. One was playing tyranids and brought 2 hive tyrants and one carnifex as well as some gaunts and the other was playing khorne with a tooled up demon prince and all kinds of other chaos nastyness.
Needless to say the veterans won the game. Once the game had ended however, people at the store including myself began to chew the two veterans up for playing powerlists versus relative newbies to the game with very limited armies.
I want your opinions on this.... do you guys think it was right to call them out for playing in such a brutal fashion against new players? Or do you think that such a beating is good for the newbies who will be forced to learn faster given their humilating defeat?
If you absolutely must feel compelled to route newbies, at least do it with beardy tactics instead of a beardy list. At least there's a chance they'll feel like they're learning a bit about the rules and building up their game instead of feeling like they just don't have a chance. You may read 100x the rule that says you can't regroup with an enemy in 6". You learn it the first time someone chases 3/4 of an expensive squad off the board with an empty rhino.
disclaimer: the author assumes no liability for any hazing of newbies you may engage in as a result of this post. Hazing of newbies is discouraged by the authorship of this post. Teach your newbies, love your newbies; they might remember you and go easy when they're kicking your butt at the tournament in two years =).
My first game was worse then your 2vs2 game. It wasn't even a game of points, just 2 troops and an HQ (I didn't know the points system when I started). My gaunts, hormies, and 3 warriors didn't stand a chance against 2 full chaos squads with LC, and what I believe was either a mega-tooled DP or Kharn. I lost everything, but learned the points system right after that.
It's good to haze the newbies in battle, it just makes them stronger.
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Did the new guys enjoy the game. Were the vets friendly and sporting throughout? These are more important than the lists they were playing IMO
You see personally, if the battle was set up great the motivation was good, the players were sportsmanlike and we had a great time, then i wouldn't mind if i lost.
My first battle ever was versus the store manager as he was showing me the game.He had Dark Eldar I was given SM. Now i look back he twisted the rules slightly,and didn't tell me key thing, so i would win, and accomanyed everything with characterful exclaimations and storylines and stuff, it was a great game, really inspiring.
ow thats harsh!
when I was a wee little newbie and didn't have much experience the staff got someone (who's not a staff member) to battle me with an iron warriors list, that I beat!
then the next time I was they, he said the staff told him to go easy on me, but this was after I slaughtered another vet player's new chaos force *waits for redux and gets pwned*
so most people, especially vets are nice at my GW (but the 10 year old newbs are so annoying with their attitudes!)
Create flames for a galaxy and it will be warm. Put a galaxy in flames and it will be warm for the rest of it's existence.
Thats all well and good if everyone likes you, its not all the time and you do actually know what your on about. He hasn't a clue. I massacred his whole army in two or three turns, so much for his tactical know how, after he told me how he was gonna kick my ass and how weak all the other armies on the board were. He even has the cheek to critizise our model painting when his is dipped i think! Sorry outburst over :shifty:
I did that once...around a week after I'd finished in the top 40 at the 40k GT.
A new kid turns up at the club, and I'm the only one without a game yet. He'd been playing for a year or two, and had ultramarines.
So I cut my army down to fit his 1k army, and we proceeded to play. His army selection and deployment were bad, and his strategy unfocused. I evaded his large firebase (of heavy bolter devastators) and took apart things like assault marines with a chaplain that (Deep struck ) came my way.
I slaughtered him in around an hour. With so much time spare, I thought it would be sporting to let him have the superior army and I'd have the dodgy ultramarines.
I promptly took my own army to pieces with an army I'd never used before or seen before that evening (and they say there's not strategy in 40k ). I honestly figured he'd stand a better chance using the Eldar...
40k isn't just about making a good army list :ninja:.
Last edited by Rork; August 1st, 2007 at 20:47.
Having an army and not owning a rulebook is like owning a car with no steering wheel.Originally Posted by amishcellphone
If I were to play my first game again and facing someone way more experienced than me, I wouldn't really care if my opponent beat me with a good list or cunning tactics as long as it was a fun game to play.
And I for one think a game against monsterous creatures and Daemon Princes can be a very good introduction to the 40k universe. Like a trailer for a movie, you get the juicy bits and know there is much more where that came from.
If it were to be an instructional game though... like "I, John the Experienced, will teach you the fine art of this tactical game- these are three Monoliths, you have no lascannons -let's play." that would be quite boring. But it sounds as if it was just a game, so...LOL, so you say...so you say...Originally Posted by techmarine Rannon Zriker