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Just spent the evening at GW Manchester's veterans night. There is a core of players there in the "Flame On" team who do a lot of tournaments. I've been there a couple of times and had some good games and learned a lot from these tournament guys but tonight was a completely wasted evening. In the three and a half hours I was there, I managed to get in 2 turns of play right at the end. I'm not bothered about the fact that it was busy and crowded, or that some of them were playing slowly ( I am not exactly lightning quick myself ), but they hogged the tables and spent forever setting up.
one pair started to put their models on the table, ten minutes later I went past again and assumed they were a turn or two into the game from the way the models were spread about the table, but they weren't, they still hadn't deployed. Eventually they deployed and then they went for a drink. It took nearly half an hour before the game started.
A large group were stood around a table with models on and I assumed they were talking about/watching the game in progress. Eventually I figured out there was no game and they were just chatting. I went over, asked if the table was free, they looked at me like I had two heads and said it was. When I asked if any of them wanted a game, none of them were interested. Friendly bunch, not.
Two guys were clearly coming to the end of their game and I asked if anyone was playing on the table after them. They said no. Did they clear away a give someone else a chance? No they just re-deployed and started a second game.
Another pair finished a game, one of them cleared his models quickly, the other left his there for twenty minutes and disappeared. Had he arranged to play someone else or just dumped his stuff there? Neither myself or the guy I had found to play against fancied moving his stuff, because some can get a bit fussy about people touching their models.
I don't think I will bother with GW Manchester again. Better to stick with the GW in Altrincham or the Gaming crypt. Both smaller, but friendlier and you get more games in.
Sorry Rant over. Anyone else had their time wasted or can recommend another venue in Manchester.
I've had my time wasted by people I had planned a game with! I showed up at the appointed time only to find my foe embroiled in another battle, another game system even(!) and saying he wouldn't take long. I wait. Dig out my army. Set up the terrain. 2 hours pass. We finally start, and the welp tries to concede after I land a lucky shot with a catapult that kills his 4th level mage.
Sad thing is, there are the types of people who don't respect your space or time no matter where you go, or what you do. The best thing you can do is speak your mind, in a straightforward, yet polite way, and if no steps are taken towards any resolution, you should stop wasting your own time.
To bad you couldn't get a game in. I make it a point to clear up the table and pack up my figs when I am done.
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If someone leaves the table for like 30 minutes, they forfeit the game basically. Next time this happens, i'd say to a staff member "hey where have these guys gone?"
Table limitations in stores only work out when everyone plays fair, if someone has just had a game then they dont get the right to immediately start another game.
If you continue having problems, either notify a staff member or resort to the old "bagseye" a table, by putting a penny or a model on the corner of the table and saying "i'm on this after you guys".
The biggest time waster for me is people deploying when i'm actually having a game, you should always have a plan of how to deploy your army, I know you need to react to enemys deployment, but taking 10 minutes thinking about placing a unit of empire knights i think it was the last time this happened, only for the other player to change his mind and put swordsmen down instead really wound me up.
aut viam inveniam aut faciam / I'll either find a way or make one.
I am quite lucky in that we have a very good independent club with mature people who really enjoy the game and we enjoy each other's company, most of the people at out club are 19-25 or 35-45, we have a small group of kids but they tend to understand their boundaries.
However, in the 2 or 3 times I have played at Games Workshop since I've been at this club I have encountered this problem and similar ones.
I'm sorry to say it, but I find GW clubs are generally home to children and immature adults, their clubs are totally over-subscribed and they make no effort to limit the number of people turning up. To make matters worse the staff treat you like a child because their job is basically to deal with children.
The worst incident was when 4 of us arranged to play a 2v2 Gothic game. We waited 2 hours for the Gothic table to free up and began to deploy our scenery, halfway through deployment a pair turn up and start deploying their 40k game on our table, I've never seen anything so disrespectful between people who enjoy the same hobby.
Anyway we told them to take a hike and they occupied their afternoon by trying as hard as possible to disrupt our game (culminating in one of them stealing a model) while an apathetic GW staff member couldn't be bothered to even walk 3 feet to have a proper conversation with us.
This is a generalisation and I'm sure there are good GW clubs out there, but I haven't had a good experience at a GW store in a very long time.
Dear All Concerned,
Well, I generally have not had any of these problems with my GW store. Although GW close a store like walking distance from my house and moved it to a 30 minute drive away. Other than that, I have a pretty good store.
Just wanted to post to say there are good stores left!
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I haven't had a problem with the atmosphere at my local GW yet. Even the kids are a fairly decent bunch and don't go running about and doing anything disruptive. Severe beatings are not tolerated of course, but then again, we never have to, which to me speaks of very good management . On the other hand, I don't often go there for gaming anymore, simply because there's no scheduling of any sort as far as the tables are concerned and there are a lot of people who go there to play. Our club, on the other hand, does have a pretty good system and ensures that most people get in at least one game per night. I did have one game, though, where my opponent kept wandering off to get a drink at odd times and generally slowing the game down, but I think that you sometimes have to grit your teeth and make allowances for drunkenness, especially when your club is in a bar.
I don't have many timewasters at my local GW, but what I do have is 10 year olds who think think that cause a staff member let them fire their Combi-melta's meltagun more than once, he can do it all he wants even after I show him the codex and tell him that half the staff don't know any good tactics in 40k!
oh that's just a major timewaster....
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The environment and people at the GW here are good. Problem here is lack of space! Three 4x4 tables is all they've got =(
I'm quite surprised to hear about stuff like this - generally everyone I speak to about the hobby is polite about it (if a little opinionated but that comes with the territory!).
I've barely played any games in store - thankfully I am blessed in that myself and 2 of my closest friends have plenty of room to deploy 6x4' boards in our houses, so we always have plenty of venue options available.
If someone started deploying on the table when I was playing or started fiddling with my models mid game I'd probably be seen moments later chasing them down the street with a cricket bat though!
That said I spend a lot of my lunch hours in GW Durham and have no complaints, the staff are a good bunch of guys, they know the difference between the excitable kids and the excitable adults such as myself, and how to approach each to stop full scale warfare erupting in the shop!