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What do you think is the best value for money out of the GW range of products?
I am just curios to see what you good folk think are GWs top buys.
I only see the core rule book as the best buy. You only need one for up to 6 or 7 years and its quite well done in layout and print. The codexes seem a bit much and many of the models seem over priced.
But thats for money spent. The specialist rules are the best free rules but technically hold no value since they are free.
God, nineteen dollars for superglue? Does it have shards of diamond inside and electrum plating?
In my not-so-valuable opinion, nothing GW sells is worth it. They could easily cut prices if they were willing, but unfortunately it's been a capitalist venture since the very beginning and they're not willing to cut prices.
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I'm not trying to sound like a know it all, but unfortunately it'll probably be taken like that by people that don't read this sentance. But:
We must remember that GW are a business. Their ultimate goal, as an organisation, is to make money, and generally more is better. If they do something that the customers appreciate, it is because they are being sensible business-people and making sure they maintain their customer-base. If they charge outrageous prices for glue, it's because they think that they can do that, and people will still buy it, or at the very least not be driven away from the hobby. I imagine much of their hobby materials are sold by means of a "Well, I'm IN the store, and I DO need some glue, and there's some right there. It's expensive, but it'll last me ages, and it means I don't have to go elsewhere" mentality. Convenience, really. They can charge extra because some people are willing to pay for the convenience of getting all their stuff in one place.
This leads to my other point. I'd never really thought about it like this before, but a while back, in an economics course I did, it was put to me that: The value of something is whatever someone is willing to pay. And they're absolutely right. A diamond is a valuable stone because, as a result of its prettiness and rarity, people are WILLING to spend the money to buy one. If everyone thought "Oh, it's just a rock, why would I want that?", then it wouldn't be as valuable.
Likewise, we sometimes feel like we're getting shafted, spending 50 bucks on 10 little plastic models. But the facts remain: We want them. We can't get them elsewhere. We can therefore choose to buy them, or not buy them. We choose to buy them because it's worth it to us. You could have the choice of buying 10 of model A for 50 bucks, or 20 of model B for the same price. Model B is a better deal, right? It has more value, right? ONLY if model B is WHAT WE ACTUALLY WANT. If we'll derive no pleasure from it, but like model A, then that is the better value.
So really, everything that an individual buys is "worth it" to them. And that's why GW runs a bunch of different armies and systems, so that for every person that walks in, there's something in the shop that's "worth it" to THEM.
If you've read all this, well done.
One thing to know is that the price of metal has been rising for sometime. Also, GW is using new software, that can't come cheap, to design minis, and those designers have to be paid. And the molding process isn't cheap, either, though I hope the plastic kits will hope hold costs down somewhat.
Even though there's a large following for GW products, they'd need a much larger market share to maximize profit and reduce prices accordingly. We're a sub-culture market, basically.
But they are missing out on a lot of new people who want to start up but are intimidated by the high prices. Personally, I would buy MORE things from GW if they were cheaper. For example there are two models that I want that cost $10, but I think "hey $10 is alot for a tiny little metal model," but let say they are $8, "hmm that is not so bad it's worth it, I will buy the two I need." They would be getting $16 from me instead of $0. Now I know they can charge whatever they want, and they feel that people will still purchase their products at their stores. The fact remains that GW is losing more money on models NOT being sold, rather than making money on expensive models being sold. Case in point, I don't buy my models at GW stores, I have a game store farther from me that I buy things at because it is buy one get one half off for all GW products. Everyone I know who plays warhammer shops at that store instead and plays/paints at the GW store.
Having said that, I don't believe GW is there - I still say they charge too much for what you actually get in a box. My solution is not really to charge less, or include more in a box, but rather to improve the quality of what they're selling. Sometimes they get things right, but more often than not I find that the minis I buy are not overly detailed, poorly molded and full of seamlines or that they fit poorly and are difficult to assemble. Vehicles in particular are bad for the fit issues (I've got one hopelessly warped Landspeeder that's starting to look like a good candidate for a crashed terrain piece(), though whether that's due to the kit designs or the molding process itself, I don't really know.
What I do know, as a military and Gundam modeller in addition to playing 40K, is that other companies consistently produce kits and figures that are significantly better than GW product for an often much lower price. The sort of fit and finish that GW gets away with would likely get Tamiya, Hasegawa or Bandai lynched!
Value for money and GW are not words I would usually use together. They take real liberties with its customers cash.
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