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Makka · October 7th, 2007, 16:15

Sorry if this is in the wrong place, but I just know I'm missing something here.

I'm not griping or anything, but could anybody clarify for me why FB Orc regiments come in boxes of 19?

I mean... 19? really? Its a PRIME NUMBER. Meaning no matter HOW you try to rank them up, there will always be an odd rank... Also meaning I would need to buy 5 boxes before I could use all of my boys in full ranks (6 mobs of 15). It just seems really... odd to me.

Why not 15? Or round it up to 20?

And for that matter, there are still regiments consisting of 16 or 24 models (here's looking at you, Lizardmen.) Isn't that kind of a waste, since in order to properly take advantage of the unit in-game, you need ranks 5-wide?

I'm guessing I'm just missing something really obvious here, but its bugging me. I wanna use all my boyz!

Tekore · October 7th, 2007, 16:23

Quote:

Originally Posted by Makka

Sorry if this is in the wrong place, but I just know I'm missing something here.

I'm not griping or anything, but could anybody clarify for me why FB Orc regiments come in boxes of 19?

I mean... 19? really? Its a PRIME NUMBER. Meaning no matter HOW you try to rank them up, there will always be an odd rank... Also meaning I would need to buy 5 boxes before I could use all of my boys in full ranks (6 mobs of 15). It just seems really... odd to me.

Why not 15? Or round it up to 20?

And for that matter, there are still regiments consisting of 16 or 24 models (here's looking at you, Lizardmen.) Isn't that kind of a waste, since in order to properly take advantage of the unit in-game, you need ranks 5-wide?

I'm guessing I'm just missing something really obvious here, but its bugging me. I wanna use all my boyz!

I think you've hit the nail on the head. You need to buy a lot of boxes to make the numbers work out! That's exactly why they sell them that way, so that you can buy a lot of boxes, and then need more!

Tekore

Jaffar_Hasad · October 7th, 2007, 16:39

The 19th is used for basing purposes? You bought those ugly dumb orcs to be bodies right?

LordLink · October 7th, 2007, 16:41

1: Because no-one uses 1 block of orcs in their army.

2: Because they're thinking you're going to attach characters to the units to fill out the ranks.

cebwj · October 7th, 2007, 18:32

Quote:

Sorry if this is in the wrong place, but I just know I'm missing something here.

I'm not griping or anything, but could anybody clarify for me why FB Orc regiments come in boxes of 19?

I mean... 19? really? Its a PRIME NUMBER. Meaning no matter HOW you try to rank them up, there will always be an odd rank... Also meaning I would need to buy 5 boxes before I could use all of my boys in full ranks (6 mobs of 15). It just seems really... odd to me.

Why not 15? Or round it up to 20?

I agree 19 is wierd, altough it leaves room for a character.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Makka

And for that matter, there are still regiments consisting of 16 or 24 models (here's looking at you, Lizardmen.) Isn't that kind of a waste, since in order to properly take advantage of the unit in-game, you need ranks 5-wide?

This is the same with Chaos. And that accually makes perfect sense!
In the last eddition of WFB ranks were a minimum of 4, making 16 and 12 perfect for the larger based creatures to fill the same amount of space as the small humans of the empire.

InquisitorAffe · October 10th, 2007, 07:10

Honestly I'd think it was just a mistake/oversight on the part of the guy who set up the command sprue only putting torsos for the 3 command models on there (note it has 4 pairs of legs....) so it doesn't match up with the 4-orc frames for the boyz.

Stonehambey · October 10th, 2007, 11:23

Orcs are cheap enough (pts wise) that you should probably field them in units 25-30, so even 20 isn't enough!

19 Leaves room for a character though if you want to run a block of 20

scarletsquig · October 11th, 2007, 10:21

They sell them in boxes of 19 because they were originally in boxes of 16 with metal extras for command models (back in the days when GW was awesome and cheap).

Then came the "all plastic!" drive, and 6th edition was released with a command/ hero sprue for orcs, containing 3 models. This sprue was also used to update the regiment boxset, hence the 19 models.

One thing I do like about the command sprue is the spare pair of plastic mounted orc legs. Absolute gold dust for conversion.

Makka · October 11th, 2007, 11:58

Ah, so it has more to do with GW not really altering the boyz sprues, and simply replacing the metal command upgrade pieces with a plastic command sprue?

That actually makes sense, although it is still very annoying - especially if I don't WANT to attach a hero to the unit

I usually look at boxes of 16 as: 'cool, a regiment of 15 PLUS an extra one for fiddling around with colour schemes and conversions', but 19 is far too close to 20

And there is nothing wrong with plastics - I for one certainly prefer them over metals. They are far easier to convert, tidy, sculpt, paint and maintain, and they don't get that warping that metal models get. MORE PLASTICS! I was so glad when they started releasing heroes/lords in plastic kits. Now where is my Saurus Oldblood plastic kit - that would be sick!

Stonehambey · October 11th, 2007, 12:37

Well the trend might be changing. The box sets of miners, black orcs and flagellants all come in 20 I think.

October 7th, 2007, 16:15	#1 (permalink)
Makka Junior Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Age: 21 Posts: 14 Rep Power: 26	I'm certainly missing something with the Orc box set Sorry if this is in the wrong place, but I just know I'm missing something here. I'm not griping or anything, but could anybody clarify for me why FB Orc regiments come in boxes of 19? I mean... 19? really? Its a PRIME NUMBER. Meaning no matter HOW you try to rank them up, there will always be an odd rank... Also meaning I would need to buy 5 boxes before I could use all of my boys in full ranks (6 mobs of 15). It just seems really... odd to me. Why not 15? Or round it up to 20? And for that matter, there are still regiments consisting of 16 or 24 models (here's looking at you, Lizardmen.) Isn't that kind of a waste, since in order to properly take advantage of the unit in-game, you need ranks 5-wide? I'm guessing I'm just missing something really obvious here, but its bugging me. I wanna use all my boyz!

October 7th, 2007, 16:39	#3 (permalink)
Jaffar_Hasad Consumer of Christmas Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Michigan Posts: 1,379 Rep Power: 55	The 19th is used for basing purposes? You bought those ugly dumb orcs to be bodies right? __________________ Member of the Brutally Honest Critics Society-"Telling you what others are really thinking" If someone helps you over and over again and you Forget to rep them, Remember: This cat has claws Removed by the moderators.

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LordLink Son of LO Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Australian. Capital. Territory Age: 18 Posts: 3,462 Rep Power: 63	1: Because no-one uses 1 block of orcs in their army. 2: Because they're thinking you're going to attach characters to the units to fill out the ranks. __________________ Check out my Codex: Farmyard Animals here! If anyone wants any kind of help writing fluff for any kind of GW army just ask. Fluffmaster Anzac Clan

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October 10th, 2007, 07:10	#6 (permalink)
InquisitorAffe Suffer not the Unclean Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Edmonton, AB Age: 28 Posts: 1,488 Rep Power: 48	Honestly I'd think it was just a mistake/oversight on the part of the guy who set up the command sprue only putting torsos for the 3 command models on there (note it has 4 pairs of legs....) so it doesn't match up with the 4-orc frames for the boyz.

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scarletsquig Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: UK Age: 21 Posts: 155 Rep Power: 25	They sell them in boxes of 19 because they were originally in boxes of 16 with metal extras for command models (back in the days when GW was awesome and cheap). Then came the "all plastic!" drive, and 6th edition was released with a command/ hero sprue for orcs, containing 3 models. This sprue was also used to update the regiment boxset, hence the 19 models. One thing I do like about the command sprue is the spare pair of plastic mounted orc legs. Absolute gold dust for conversion.

October 11th, 2007, 11:58	#9 (permalink)
Makka Junior Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Age: 21 Posts: 14 Rep Power: 26	Ah, so it has more to do with GW not really altering the boyz sprues, and simply replacing the metal command upgrade pieces with a plastic command sprue? That actually makes sense, although it is still very annoying - especially if I don't WANT to attach a hero to the unit I usually look at boxes of 16 as: 'cool, a regiment of 15 PLUS an extra one for fiddling around with colour schemes and conversions', but 19 is far too close to 20 And there is nothing wrong with plastics - I for one certainly prefer them over metals. They are far easier to convert, tidy, sculpt, paint and maintain, and they don't get that warping that metal models get. MORE PLASTICS! I was so glad when they started releasing heroes/lords in plastic kits. Now where is my Saurus Oldblood plastic kit - that would be sick!