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Ok, this started as a rant in another thread but I'd rather address it more calmly and intellgently here, and ask some genuine questions of you superheavy fans out there.
The title is actually just part of the argument, really. I look at Baneblades (both the uber-expensive FW varieties and the "cheaper" version which would still cost me $200, including the IA book I'd need to understand how the damned things work), titans, heirophants and other superheavies as, frankly, the ultimate in excess. I can't afford them, and even if I could, I have a hard time justifying the investment, both in money and time building and painting these behemoths.
I say this because of some pretty obvious limitations these uber-killing machines have: Since they appear nowhere in "standard" GW-issue codices or tournament-legal Chapter Approveds, I can't use them in any GW-sanctioned tournament (not that I participate in those, but still), and as to whether my local clubs (yeah, I play in two places) would allow them in tournaments, or whether my opponents would allow them in a typical game, is, essentially, a crap shoot. This is assuming I already have a 2,000-point army or more to start with, which, let's face it, is pretty much a prerequisite for adding such a beast to one's list.
Add to that the more subtle problems, i.e., terrain. In DoW I love using Baneblades to mow everything down, provided they can, you know, GET there, but terrain can be a HUGE problem. I can't imagine trying to advance with one of these monsters.
Also, how do you transport one of these things to and from a game? Yeah, the Baneblades aren't THAT big, but if you have more than one(!) it could be problematic, and I have yet to hear of any truly practical way of getting a titan to and from the local club. That monster cathedral-on-legs thingie, that some people have modeled half as tall as I am, well, I just can't imagine using something as unwieldy as that.
Yes, I know these are, in part, "show" pieces, but I'm speaking as someone who enjoys BOTH the hobby AND the gaming aspects. From my perspective, the treatment of superheavies as "show" items is a horrible excuse for a colossal waste of money. I noticed a guy at my local club recently buying a Baneblade, the plastic one.
"Taking the plunge?" I asked.
"Yeah, I could use another one," he said. He had, I think, three(!) of them.
Now, I wanted to tell them man he was nuts. Frankly, I've wanted to tell lots of players they were nuts for buying things like that, and yet, I can't help but wonder if *I* am the problem. After all, nuts as I think it is, everyone's buying them, at sky-high prices. I know some apartments who cost as much to rent a month as some titans go for on FW.
So I ask: Is it me? Am I just too old/uncool to understand? Am I just not a "cool" enough player if I own close to 2,000 points in marines AND necrons, but I have no superheavy vehicle/titan? Am I wrong to turn my nose up at these things, or consider plasticard/template versions, if I consider them at all? Am I wrong to really want GW to make a more practical model, like a drop pod, out of plastic? What do you think?
I guess it all depends on how geeked-up you are about Apocalypse. The Baneblade rules are in the Apocalypse book, which only costs $50. So it brings your total up to about $150 for the Baneblade and the rules for it, as well as the other rules and cool stuff in the Apoc book.
If you have no intention of playing Apocalypse games, then yeah, a Baneblade is a waste. However, after playing one game of it, I got so geeked up that I immediately went into a purchasing-frenzy to make my Dark Angels Apocalypse-worthy, including oodles of Land Raiders and a Warhound. Sure, Apocalypse games can be played without such excesses, but having superheavies, titans, and battle formations adds a lot of flavor to the battle.
I'd rather paint 1 baneblade than 50 orks i could also get for that price, so in that way, it's actually a time saver.
For me, the Baneblade (and the Titan, similarly) are centerpieces to an army, pieces that I'll be adding in a year or so. While I will only get use from them on the Apocalypse table, they are pretty much the high nasty point of an Imperial army. I'd like to eventually get a Baneblade (Who knows? It's my birthday tomorrow, could happen.), and put it in my Chapter's colors (heresy, I know) just to be the centerpiece of my work. I hear your point on transport and price though, although I would just do Apocalypse instead of IA. The Baneblade would most likely get something like it's own soft cooler for transport.
While I love Forgeworld models I doubt I would ever buy one because they just don't seem worth the huge price to me. I would never be able to justify spending that much on a model. It's a bit different for me anyway than it is for 40kers since my main game is fantasy and there are very few FW models for FB. The only one I would consider is the Emperor Fire Dragon because it is possible my favourite model from all of GW/Forgeworld and it's cheaper than most of the things like titans and superheavies, but still that's a lot of money that could be going towards a Jackson Soloist or a Marshall stack... which I would much rather have!
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I think the answer to this is very simple.
Each to there own. If you want one, go and treat yourself. If not then save you
hard earned cash for something else. Everyone likes to spoil themselves.
Whatís the difference if itís a £250 titan or going on the piss for a weekend and
spending the same amount? In my book, none.
I AM BOOMER!
@Zamaphore: Fair enough. Nothing wrong with that.
i wounld'nt worry about it buddy.
Every time i buy something new and shiny from g.w i always
get the last min sweats at the checkout and i always ask myself
"do i really want this" or "is this really worth it"
But the answers i tell myself are always the same.
Yes i do really want this, i dont have money dropping out of my arse so i do
have to plan what i buy. And i do think its worth it. After all it's my treat and
if there is anyhting in the world thats worth it, it's buying something that makes you happy.
I AM BOOMER!