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Why does every player over 30 yrs old hate Warhammer 40k? Kinda annoying...i mean they seem like the same game to me...
Hate is such a strong word... I doint hate 40K, i just hate GW for what they are doing to it!
Streamlining rules. Its a simple game, involving litttle tactical thought. Games can be easily determined from lists. And despite its ''simplicity'', the rules are horrendously done, 'Mixed Armour' for example.
Fantasy is where the Pros are
As a general rule, I find the usual assaults on 40k to be terrifically short-sighted. I enjoy 40k b/c I find it to be far, far more tactically flexible, from list-building onwards. The games are chess and checkers, though. Anyone who claims one is "better" than the other is biased, and nothing more. There's also a lot of condescending hating done by both sides a la the above "xyz is where the pros are." I find this silly.
The whole thinig is silly.
Phoenix, not to take offense at your comments, but "little tactical thought, simple game" = blatantly inaccurate. It's a common refrain among the post-initiated "40k haters." As far as I can tell, it is based on no real thought whatsoever, more often than not based off a fantasy-player's mindset.
An example: A fantasy player I know claims the lack of different movement rates takes away a huge amount of strategy. I claim this to be inaccurate, that it is simply DIFFERENT loads of strategy. In fantasy, movement rates are critical b/c of the importance of lining up the few critical charges that can make or break the game. Warhammer 40k is entirely different from this ... chess/checkers. Different playstyles and tactics built around different rulesets.
40k haters, like fantasy haters, are simply "haters," or "condescenders" if hate is too strong a word. They have NO valid complaints.
Nids & Guard
GMail = MVBrandt
Rikimaru is over 40 years old and plays 40k; you could say he's a Tau genius. So obviously, he doesn't hate the game. I think it's a poor generalisation that older players hate the game; at least as many, if not more, younger players would rather play a different game (WHFB, PP games, etc.) instead of 40k, and I'm starting to include myself in that grouping. Perhaps the older players around your area don't enjoy 40k, but that doesn't mean it's true universally.
Hmmm... I'm turning 30 here in a few months. Does that mean I need to start hating 40k? 0:
As a fan of both games I give a resounding "whatever" to arguments for and against the supremacy of either. They're games. Stop the comparisons and just enjoy them.
I'm only 15. Iv'e played both games and while I like Warhammer Fantasy better overall, I don't hate 40k.
I'm starting to dis like 40k, simply for the reason that GW is ruining the game by making it for kids like 16 and under. Making the fluff lame, ruining almost all of what is dark and evil about it. And soon to be changing to about as dark as Star Wars.
GW, please make the game ment for older and mature people agian
But i figure we will know what way GW is taking this game when the DE get redone.
...Wow, got a little off topic, but maybe that could be why alot of people gate 40k now, not so much the game as GW.
Well, according to my wife I'm "almost 30" and I still play and enjoy both games! The only thing I will say on the matter is in my opinion Fantasy is less susceptible (but not immune) to inexperienced/less skilled players being able to beat the tar out of more experienced/more skilled players by simply using 'beardy' army lists from the internet. Hence the perception that 40K is for 'kiddies.' Between players of similar skill, there's still plenty of more/less competitive lists (and parallel declamations of 'cheese') in Fantasy.
(also maybe we 'older' folks are inclined to automatically think more experienced equates linearly to better player and resent losing to "kids" ... )
Meh... there's no reason to degrade either the system or the players in it. On either side of the boundary. Arguments about tactical depth are silly, because if I wanted tactical depth, I wouldn't be playing a GW game. They are a models company first, foremost, and pretty much (by the state of their rules) only. The games are not realistic, particularly detailed in rules depth, or overly intellectually straining.
Arguments about one set of players being more mature are similarly silly, because a) the populations of both, from what I've seen, are homogenous, and b) a lot of people play both. It's like the age-old WoW rivalry between Alliance scum and Horde- one only reviles them because they're on the other side of the fence.
You know why I play 40k? Because I like the background, I like the models, and I like the feeling I get when I engage in battles in the far future where close combat is teh sex. I mean, chainswords, lightning claws, thunder hammers, force weapons, powered weapons, Harlequin's Kisses, and more chainswords just for fun... 8Y