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I am thinking about starting a renegade army to go up agaisnt my regular opponents DH army. My question is; to keep it fluffy I thought I would go with CSM but I don't want a CSM army that is full of mutations and chaos worshiping zealots, I would just like them to be recently turned or maybe declared traitors because some uptight inquisitor didn't like their chapter rituals or rites. Can I do this with the new CSM codex or should I stick with the marine codex?
Thanks in advance
Chaos Codex has provision for renegade marine chapters - Astral Claws etc. Grab that and have a read through it and see what you come up with. Just remember that you don't have to include everything and if you can come up with a good enough reason as to why they should have something - go for it.
Dovie'andi se tovya sagain (It's time to roll the dice)- Mattrim Cauthon
It really depends on HOW recently they have turned. The CSM list really assumes that you are going to take a CSM army, where you DO have daemonic upgrades etc. Therefor, you are crippling your army by not taking those options. So, unless the CSM Dex offers you some unique troop type or option that you want to take, I'd stick with SM.
The other consideration is how far they've really fallen. Alot of players think that my army is "Chaos" when they hear about it or see it. However, my chapter still holds that it is diametrically opposed to the Powers and an ally of the Imperium. Therefor, it makes more sense for them to use the SM Dex. So the SM dex is good for armies that have -like you said- fallen too recently to be blessed by the Powers, or that is just Renegade and not allied with Chaos.
i guess i should clarify a bit. I myself am not a Chaos player, and I haven't seen the new Chaos book. However, I do know that there is something in that book that gives it a flavor different from the SM dex. And I do know that the game-design team was planning on people using those flavor-savers in their army. The CSM don't play like SM do. So, if he wants the army to be more like SM, he should use the SM dex. Just like if you want to play an army based on the Black Templars, you use the Black Templars dex, not the Vanilla dex with some colorful unit choices.
That way you get all the benefits that go along with your restrictions. Why pay chaos and take the restrictions if you aren't going to open up to the benefits? And vice versa
Step 1: Wait for the New Space Marine Codex to come out in only a couple months (I believe it is being released along with 5th Edition)
Step 2: Go to a hobby shop and view both books.
Step 3: ???
Step 5: Profit!
A youth with his first cigar makes himself sick; a youth with his first girl makes other people sick. - Mary Wilson Little
CSM drawbacks aren't the token ones Traited Loyalists have, but shocking limits on a dozen Unit choices.
And by limits, I mean zero. No access at all. Don't give up Razorbacks, Snipers, Whirlwinds etc, to play CSM.
You'd be hard-pressed to find any CSM Unit that a savvy SM player would even want to field. Quite the opposite.
Wait for the new SM dex, and just paint Alice Cooper frowns on your Marines' faces, or something.
Mean-facing an Inquisitor is provocation enough for your whole Chapter to be declared "Heretic".
Good luck, and have fun!