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I've been inspired by the several entirely converted armies of lesser than well known species from the 40k universe, and would love to do one of my own. After digging I found some references to 'Iron Men'. However, I could really do with any info or guesstimations..
I have gleaned the following from Lexicanum, Wikipedia, and fragmented Imperial records. These events are 5000 years before the Empire chose to reveal himself:
The Age of Technology is the period of history where humanity disperses across the galaxy, and make huge advances in science and technology. The fruits of humanity's peak in technology; STCs (Standard Template Constructs), were important to the expansion as they could be used to create every piece of technology needed. This included 'Iron men'. General consensus agrees that the Iron men were warrior androids used to serve the Empire and destroy threats to the spacefaring humans.
All went well until around the end of the 26th millenium, the 'Age of Strife' when amongst other things, the Iron men turned on humanity like a Skynet wet dream. The Iron Men were defeated after being a disaster to the Imperium, but as a result of this rebellion, Artificial Itelligence beyond 'machine spirits' is still viewed with hostility.
Fluff: I've read some people make a connection with the Void dragon. I'm not up to speed with that fluff, but I don't see it as a problem. However, I don't believe connection to go further than that (omg, the imperium used to have pet necrons!).
I think the Iron Men's existence in the 41st Millenium can be easily justified by mumbling about 'being stuck in the warp' or 'stasis', or even hint at a still-functional STC being used to churn out droids under the surface of a forgotten world. Or no justification; just an infested Space-Hulk.
Rules: I was thinking of using the Chaos Space Marines list, would the 1000 sons fit? If at all possible I would like to avoid the Necrons. I think Tyranid rules might work well too, and offer lots of modelling opportunities. Confession time: I have modelled and painted for years, but never actually *played* 40k, so any help would be much appreciated.
Stylistically, I think the androids and dreadnought from the old Space Hulk game might be a good place to start for modelling... but I'm half guessing, because I can't really find any decent pics of them. If you can find a closeup pic of the androids especially, I would love to see one! I've also found the following, rogue trader era imperial guard, but could be wrong:
So yeah, that's basically it! I'm looking forward to reading Librarium's thoughts.
Last edited by Montyhaul; July 9th, 2008 at 19:32.
Last edited by Chubby_Jedi; July 9th, 2008 at 19:10. Reason: sorry i double posted......
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No sir, that would be more like my wet dream.like a Skynet wet dream.
Ive read this fluff before but never considered it as a army option.
How foolish, this seems like a great idea and one you should see through.
I can't do it right now cos i'm at home, but tomorrow i will post a link to a mini company
that make some pretty cool terminator sytle robots, and cheap to boot.
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Hmm... very, very interesting.
Is there a reason you favor Chaos over Necrons? I'm not judging you either way, I guess I just automatically think of the 'crons when I see an army like this. Course, the Iron Warriors spring to mind, too, so meh, could go either way, I guess.
I think any of the fluff sources for where these guys are coming from/where they've been for 15,000 years that you've described are doable. If the necrons could sleep in underground tombs throughout the Age of Strife, Horus Heresy, etc. without being detected, I don't see why some till-now-undiscovered STC couldn't be hidden like that.
Heck, it could be "accidentally" discovered/turned on by someone. Now THAT would be cool!
I can see it now:
"Hey, Bob, what's this lever do?"
*CLICK* *HMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM* *CLUNK*
"Hey, Bob, lookit that! A robot!"
*ZZZZZZZZZAP* *BLAM!* AIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!
"*zzt* *bleep* Mass-production Initiating protocols active... *skzzt*"
I like the idea of a "floating" STC on a ship someplace, too, though. It's your call.
For modeling, I think you might run into trouble with GW nazis if you try to use another company's models in a tournament.
If you care about such things, and you have the experience, it would be pretty easy, if a bit labor-intensive, to design and build your army using 40k parts and some clever use of plasticard, plastirod, plastitube, and green stuff. Mount it all on "standard" 40k bases and you're good to go! Sounds like a VERY creative idea! You should post your own expansion on the fluff (i.e., where they do in fact come from) in the 40k fluff forum, and as for modeling, I think I speak for all of LO's 40k fans when I DEMAND you start a WIP thread in the modeling forum WITH PICS!
Good luck! I'll be watching for this one!
I am very keen to start chopping up plasticard and tubing.
I'm a bit tentative of Necrons, but if they fit best then so be it. I just want to make sure I'm not making an army of Necrons with funny hats...
I'm coming round to the tyranid list, as it would enable me to convert some robots of different sizes. Maybe the ones above could work as Tyranid warriors, and the Space Crusade Dreadnought proxy a shooty Carnifex.
Actually, suggestions for a suitable list are quite high on my list of needs, if you have an idea then let me know why you think they'd be good. I'm guessing Necrons would fit because of an immunity to psychology? However, I do feel that failing psychology tests could be justified for such an army; they are supposedly the pinnacle of human-created Artificial Intelligence after all.
Last edited by Montyhaul; July 9th, 2008 at 20:57.
Two comments on this:
1. One of the early Gaunt's Ghosts novels may be a good read for some fluff. I forgot which one, but without giving away the whole plot... it's got robots.
2. Does anyone remember the Logic Charts used for Robots WAY back in RT days. Those models just landed me back about a decade or two.
Nids could work to some degree. Big Robots are carnifex or Tyrant, mediim bots are warriors.
Only problem is troopsa, lots of fleeting expendable bots doesn't sound right.
Necrons is an obvious one for robots, but the medium and large robots would not really have a place.
Marines could be good (chaos or Loyalist) most robots would just have bolter (and in case of chaos a combat weapon) the high Ld (or ATSKNF) represents that they are robots. Dreadnought, daemon prince, can represent larger robots. (the chaos dreadnought freaking out might need explanation)
Tau maybe? The fighting style somehow feels wrong, but they already have small but shooty troops, larger elites with lots of gun options, Dunno about the dreadnought size ones though.
Eldar: Wrarithguard as troops, Wraithlord as big robot, Different aspects could represent specialist robots.
Looking forward to seeing some WIP
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I currently play:
Doom Eagle Space Marines
Hive Fleet Omega Tyranids
Goff Ork Boyz(dead)
Tau of O'me
Inquisitorial Xeno Hunters
and my attempted foray into fantasy
'Dark Angel Green' Dark Elves in need of fluff
I really like the idea for your large robots and dreds,
maybe you could use these as troops.
Just click the link and scroll down to the FW15 terminator robots
Hope it helps.
Plus i think a Tau list would be great for this army.
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I'd say Eldar as well, but it just doesn't feel right - ultimately a Tzeentch army would fit, but how about Grey Knights?
All Grey Knights are Fearless (dieal for Robots) - they are all armed with big nasty weapons (high strength - again, suitable for Robots), all carry at least a Storm bolter, and significant portfions of the army can be zapped in by teleporter.
They can also take Dreanaughts to represent bigger bots, and can take Land raiders that can represent something like the troop transports in Clone Wars....
Plausible. In Dan Abnett's novel "First and Only", there is an STC system which was used to produce the Men of Iron. That one was tainted by Chaos and has been destroyed, but nobody says it was the only one still around.I think the Iron Men's existence in the 41st Millenium can be easily justified by mumbling about 'being stuck in the warp' or 'stasis', or even hint at a still-functional STC being used to churn out droids under the surface of a forgotten world.