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I have never been the sharpest tool in the shed, so obviously I'm having trouble remembering all the special rules (I know the rules I just have brain farts were I think my Lord on a steed of Slannesh has turbo boost then I remember that is bikes) and all the stats then keeping them to there correct army. I have three armies now a Guard Tau and Chaos. I really love the hobby part of this game more then anything.
I am really asking how do the rest of you keep all your stats and rules strait? When you finish your lists do you write down every thing from war gear to special rules to there stat line?
I feel stupid because the people I play with have ether played for a long time or they really know there armies, and I feel like the newb trying really hard to play catch up. I don't really care about winning or losing I just like the painting and converting so I don't play much. I just want to stop feeling like I'm holding up the game because I have to look up a stat or a rule every two seconds.
If you do things right people wont be sure if you have done anything at all.
At first I had to look rules up, and just plain forgot about some things, but over time it gets easier and easier to recall from memory. What may be a good idea is to keep notes on your army: A sort of quick reference sheet for yourself that tells you in point form everything that you need to know about each of your units, so when you're using them you can just glance at the sheet whenever you need to use the unit and say "Ah yes, my jetpacks move 6 inches in the assault phase" or whatever. Takes a few minutes to prepare, but I've found it to be pretty handy.
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The opener to this thread is exactly what I say all of the time. If a rule seems a little in my favour then i will look it up and have it there when I use it or will say or check with them. Stats wise Im pretty spot on though same with many ranges etc.
TBH all players shoudl have army book and mini rulebook on them at all times of a game not to mention a handy list with the odd pointers on it. saves sooooo many arguements. then again I do work for GW so have to remember loads off the top of my head, oh and the obligatory rules making up sessions for those kids who just wont buy their own codex/army book etc etc.
I must be one of those vet players that knows everything. I have an abnormally short attention span and so have wished to start many armies, however my gaming budjet means that most often the codex is all I get for that army. Anyway this causes me to know more about my opponents army than they do. My point is that I don't really mind plaers constantly looking up rules or asking someone else for help.
One game for example I spent more time giving a couple of players facing eachother rules than I spent talking to (and subsequently battling) my opponent. So if you can't remember all of the rules try to maybe limit your selections until you getsome more experience, use the table of contents to find your rules, and don't ask every single question you have to other people trying to enjoy your game.
Some of the game i mentioned went like this
"Okay i'm goi-"
"Kevin what's an ork boy's WS?"
"An ork boy's WS is X"
"Oh thanks""K now back to our gam-"
"Kevin what's a Necron Warrior's WS?"
" A necron warrior's WS is X""OK thanks"
"Now my Devastators are firing at your vetera-"
"Kevin an ork boy would hit a necron warrior on a 3+ in combat right?"
"No their WS's are the same so they hit eachother on a 4+"
"Ok thanks then."
That's just an example and it really happened, what I said to my opponent (not the new players) was made up but the rest was true. After getting midway through turn 4 of a 1500 point game in over 3 hours we called our game off and I helped the new players through their game.Just try not to ber annoying to others and use your codex/rulebook.
Last edited by kevin vanrooyen; February 12th, 2009 at 01:58.
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I, like you, are more involved with the hobby side than the gaming side, and as i dont play very often I find it hard to remember all of the rules.
I agree with others, writing yourself a short list of notes for your army helps you remember special rules etc, and then you just have to know the game mechanics (which actually are pretty simple when you get used to them)
Also, in my experience a lot (but not all) of players who think they know all the rules off the top of their head in fact don't, so don't necessarily take their word for it. Never feel like you can't look something up mid-game.
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well no one's perfect, it's natural to forget a rule or two now and then. Maybe the night before you game you could skim the rules. If you know there's going to be a lot of close combat (your facing orks-or orcs- for instance) you could read the relative section beforehand? Always helps me anyway.
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I can only remember worthless facts such as Simpsons quotes from a decade ago, and warhammer 40k stats. I can never remember important stuff likes dates, names, things I did yesterday..
I could have a good stab at all the Space Marine (although I'm a lot less confident after the codex change) and Imperial Guard stats, Orks and Necrons would be pretty well known.
For some reason I've never been able to remember Eldar stuff. I just don't like them and have no incentive to remember. (they are about the only army I would not collect)
The problem with knowing this stuff, and it comes from spending approx 6 years playing games several times a week, is that when a new codex or rule set comes out all that info is lost.
Back in 3rd Edition I played every day during the summer, and every weekend. I knew points cost for virtually everything in the marine codex, so I never bought it. Between the rule book army list and my memory I could get by just fine.
By 4th Edition I was playing a lot less frequently, maybe a couple of times a week during summer and I was so used to old rules, it took me about 6 months to realise the Assault Cannon was Heavy 4 rending, instead of Heavy 3, jamming!
Now in 5th Edition and I am lucky to get a game in once a month, my grasp on both the rules and the stats are starting to slip. I need my codex by my side for rules queries and for army list creation. I still know most stats as they haven't changed much. But rules questions are cropping up more and more.
uh, what was the point of my post again?..
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Doom Eagle Space Marines
Hive Fleet Omega Tyranids
Goff Ork Boyz(dead)
Tau of O'me
Inquisitorial Xeno Hunters
and my attempted foray into fantasy
'Dark Angel Green' Dark Elves in need of fluff
I agree - in te days of 3rd ed fantasy, I knew that the Elven Spearmen cost X points, because I knew how much their components cost. I knew how much Silver Helms cost and Dragon Princes and every other unit in my book, because I could replicate the cost using some basic rules....
Now, the points are a little more "army tailored" in that a unit with identical equipment and stats may have two completely different points values. I am pretty good with my own army list, but have no idea how this bears on other lists as other armies get their stuff at different costs...
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Honestly? I keep an Army list with all the stats written up by me at all times; That way, when I'm using, say, 1st Platoon's Third Squad, I can just flip to the appropriate entry, and eye it while I do everything. I also keep the cheat sheet from the back of the rulebook available too, for all the game-rules.
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Quick reference sheets rule!
I know the Chaos Codex very well-once Ive used something a few times I tend to remember all its rules/stats etc. Also as its the only army I use Ive no excuse for not knowing it. I do forget some points costs though.
I know the rules fairly well but not word for word and tend to forget them during a game when thinking of other things.
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