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It's really an annoying set, a mini book with no pretty pictures or fluff to read, and two of my most despised 40 armies, and it probably doesn't even come with palm trees I'm betting. (What good is a set without those lovely grey and brown trees?)
Mind you, there's pitifully few races of Warhammer 40k I actually like. Oh sure, many mock the tau but that new race is the only one that really makes sense there, but... but that's probably meant for another post. First, why I don't want to buy Black Reach.
It has Orks. See, I like Orcs, I like green tides of war happy brawny punks that are just in it for a fight, ready to ram their slab of metal that may or may not be considered sharp, but should still cleave their target in two just from sheer strength. Nasty horrible things, something you'd just love to see in a fight. Orks, however... somehow I'm expected to think that these feral creatures with the intelligience of clam chowder can actually pose a threat to the galaxy? It's one thing to have a bunch of fungal neandrathals running around with sharp things against the finest of the swords and sorcery Empire, it's another to have them pick up a crude AK-47 along the way and suddenly they're all spacy.
As for the space marines, I can certainly see the appeal of having high armour, high toughness, and just all around uberunits on the board. Just like 75% of the rest of 40k players. I don't want to play Space Marines! I don't want to play GW's precious little angel army mainly because whenever 40k night comes around you get a universe of marines at war with xenos and heretics making a guest appearance. While with the Orks I complain that they shouldn't belong in the universe, with the Space Marines they -are- the universe.
At this point it would seem really silly of me just to whine about buying the black reach set when it's not like I'm being forced to do it, I could easily just buy the minibook off eBay...
...so of course I have to mention that I want it. It's just such an annoyingly good deal. Compared to the rather simplistic mannequins GW decided to call dwarfs and gobbos in the fantasy set, it seems like such a shame not to get it, to be lured into the cult of Smurfs and leave the orks by the wayside, maybe sell on eBay or convert into proper Orcs, without the silly nerf gun customised to fire rocks.
I know the Space Marines are such a newb army, easy to play, easy to get thanks to their high cost, and the idea of having drop pod smurfs is such a stark contrast to the Tau's sneaking around and taking potshots now and then. I should just buy the 40k book buy itself, having my own newb army that is guaranteed* to bring some hurt to my opponent and look good in blue as well is just so tempting.
Should I remain determined to be smurf free? To not be like everyone else and have GW's precious in my collection? To hold my breath and hope the Sisters of Battle would come out with plastics so that I could have my power armour and a non-space marine army too?
Or should I bend to GW's whims and accept that in the future, there is only Smurf? (And that other army that just so happens to have an armour save chewed up by bolters in the box.)
Then there's option three, make that dwarf army after I'm done with the tau and see if Fantasy is more to my tastes. >w>;*results on the field may vary
Last edited by Pixie; February 17th, 2009 at 10:46. Reason: All opening posts need to be edited. It is written!
Stay away from the smurfs. the only way gw will ever learn to stop fanboying is by hurting their wallets. if yu absolutley want to play power armor go chaos at least they aren't all broken.
I feel your pain here, when I first started looking towards WH40K, Space Marines are all that I could see! With the only exception of a few Heretics and Xenos getting their butts kicked by them.
When I first saw Tau, I literally fell in love with them, their cool technology complimenting the whole Sci-fi nature of it all very well, after all those years I finally get my hands on an army and I couldn't be happier.
Ever since I first laid eyes on the SM; I hated them. I just didn't like the idea of GW's genetically-engineered superwarriors running amok, killing everything they touch, sure their back story is enjoyable enough. But with everyone around you playing with the same armies, may be good at first, then after a while it become sort of meh.
I like to play armies that nobody in my area normally plays with, like to see a little bit more variety in games. Like, the other day, I saw the most beautiful Eldar army, beautiful as in, it breaks the ice in the SM variety. Mixes it in with different stats. weapons and special rules to bring back the variety that 40K needs
Being a fan of the Horus Heresy series, I turned from this path to collect a CSM Army. I've been playing a lot of 'goody' armies, and decided to unleash my dark-side.
Who needs to join the Loyalists? Where you can join their Evil big brothers .
At this moment, I'm busy 'Corrupting' those loyalist scum and turning them over to the dark side. Sure it's going to be a tough job, but I'm going to enjoy twisting them over to my Legion.
There is a strong argument to say that the whole of Warhammer 40K is intrinsically about the war between the Chaos Marines and the Space Marines with everyone else being supporting characters to put the war into context.
I mean take the name and art work of the game. 40,000. 40,000 years into Earths Future. 10,000 years after the Horus Heresy. Nice round numbers there which all very Terracentric.
As for Orks I think you are looking at it from the wrong way round. Orks were advanced super soldiers who then lost their leaders. So its more a question of what they have lost than what they have 'unrealistically' gained.
In many ways orks have accsess to technology that outstrips even the Eldar. After all their tech is attuned to their mental state so that it works even when it is chemically and physically impossible to do so. (Red ones do in fact go faster)
Other than this I don't know what to say, buy Black Reach take the mini rule books and then sell the rest, problem solved.......
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I agree that having to buy the whole set to get the mini rule book is unfortunate, especially if you don't play marines or orks, but it is a pretty good deal all around. Most people keep one army and sell the rest, meaning you shelled out even LESS money in the long run.
As to you hating marines and orks, well, I do sympathize with the frustration with GW's fixation on marines, but I confess I have some of my own that I'm building, and the new sculpts, particularly the commander, are a nice change from the rubber-stamped tactical squad box sets which it seems aren't changing anytime soon. Plus, the set offers a shot at finally having terminators, for those who can't/won't pony up $50 for a five-man squad. Don't forget the set also includes measuring sticks, dice and templates. Yes, you can buy them elsewhere, too, but it's a nice bonus.
As for orks, sorry you don't like them, but we all have our preferences. For example, I admit the Tau playstyle is cool, and I can see myself building an army of them someday, but I think some players (namely non-manga fanboys like me) are as turned off by the "Gundam"-esque look as you are by the orks. Just a personal preference.
I, for one, plan to use my Black Reach boyz to start an ork army. Yes, that's probably what GW had in mind, but so what? It's still cheaper than buying 20 boyz from scratch, not to mention the deffkoptas. I'm turning that way because I wanted to build another xeno army (I have Necrons) and I figured you can't get much more "different" than orks. They are admittedly comical, but I like the idea that your opponent can never be sure, both from modeling and play perspective, just what the ork army will look and function like.
Buy the box set, build the models within and see if you like playing with them.
Space Marines are cool, but then again I don't play at GW store, so not everyone has the same army.
Orks are cool too. They are just crude not dumb. Their technology looks like it is scrap, but that is because it is primarily made from looted parts, if you gave them nice clean bits, they would make nice clean vehicles.. and then drive them through the dirt to make them dirty
Even if you never use the models for a true army, you can use them to introduce other friends to the game should they show interest.
And while you build whatever army it is that you do like, you can have those models staring at you, slowly eroding your sanity until you buy more boyz or more marines
Arch Overfiend & Grand Despot
I currently play:
Doom Eagle Space Marines
Hive Fleet Omega Tyranids
Goff Ork Boyz(dead)
Tau of O'me
Inquisitorial Xeno Hunters
and my attempted foray into fantasy
'Dark Angel Green' Dark Elves in need of fluff
In regards to buying the set and selling the bits on eBay, I'm not too thrilled with that idea (due to my own worries and insecurities of possibly screwing up on the postage and whatnot), but that's a totally different subject for an entirely different forum. :3
While I still retain my distaste for spacy orks, I never thought of them as degenerating into a feral state instead of going from feral to spacy. :p (Perhaps, *gasp* Orks are the end result of Chaos Space Marines? No, wait, doesn't fit in with the fluff. ...or does it?)
It just annoys me that the Smurfs in that set are just so bloody appealing. Cheap as free (in a way of speaking), and the answer to many of my 40k issues. Looking for something different from tau on a budget? Space Marines! Want a SoB army but not willing for fork out the hundreds and hundreds of dollars for the all metal cast? Allied Space Marines! (Or rather Allied Sisters seeing how the Spess Mareens are a bit on the sexist side.) Want a suggestive army complete with jewelry? Those fabulous Space Marines!
On the flip side, is the big book worth getting for the fluff? Or is it like the 4th edition which I found annoyingly confusing with big chunks of censored latinesque babble, a few pictures, and the rules scattered here there and everywhere?
i know what your saying about black reach i just wish they had put guard into the box, mabey against the forces of chaos at the cadian gate, rather than using gw beloved marines again like with the nids in battle for mcgraggen (cant spell that word). although with guard the would have had to get a tank in somehow, cos they're guard. my guard hav about 17 of them at the moment.