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Ok, I don't get it. Why hate Named characters? GW has made it easier to use them by making them just a lord or hero choice. Saying they are overpowered is only goign to go so far as you can make some regular Lords and Heroes just as powerful.
If a Million Guardsmen die, that's a statistic. If one marine dies, that's a tragedy.
The named characters in general are not playtested for balance nearly as much as normal characters. Because of this the points for these characters are not accurate for what they can do. It is difficult to place a points value on how powerful a special ability will be, and often the characters points and their rules do not match for better or worse. Many people wish to exclude them altogether because of the special abilities/points issue.
Wait, are you serious? Game Workshop playtests for balance? This is General Hobby Talk, not Rumours!
1. They are not your's. You did not make them, their fluff is someone else's, and if you actually care about YOUR army and you aren't just playing the game to slaughter your friends, you don't want characters built by someone else.
2. They are not well balanced.
3. Quite often these people NEVER fought the enemy you are.
4. Your friends don't use them.
5. No one wants to play AGAINST special characters unless they themselves are playing with them.
6. "The old ways are better"
Personally I HATE special characters and would walk away from a game if someone brought one without asking my consent beforehand.
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That's just dumb.
I do agree that special characters are either crap or too good. But the "originality" argument just isn't working.
Got a "good" rumour from a GW staffer? Forget about it, LO'ers know more than any random GW shop staffer.
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They should only die once. Playing against them again and again get's boring. It makes me sad that SM players I play against HAVE to field them to get their special rules (like fleet).
I don't mind if they are overpowered/overpriced though. :-)
There are some times where special characters can just add an extra dimension to a game. When you have a group of regular gamers who have the same armies, the same combos etc. that they bring to every game it can be refreshing to bring a special character along to mix things up a bit, especially if the character messes about with the organisation.
For example, I once did a Kroq-Gar themed LM army which at the time meant all saurus cav were core and foot saurus were special. The army played completely differently, and still led to a fun, balanced game vs. a friend. However, this was not a tournament legal army, and I wouldn't want to take it to tournaments.
However, I do agree that there are now too many, and they aren't special anymore. And some are just plain wrong, I mean an army of fleeting terminators with 3+ invulnerables. Try justifying that and not sounding like a power gamer. Yet its perfectly "legal" for tournaments. Go figure.
Don't get me wrong, I do like the way marines can now have the different chapter tactics, and you can very easily represent your favourite chapters easily from the standard book, but somehow it doesn't quite feel right sometimes.
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I would use them if i wanted to and i would not deny the other player to use them even if i was not for that game. This is a game of fun after all and there is nothing more fun than killing space marine special characters!
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