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So, I was posting in another thread when I thought of a new thread idea.
Of course I like to be competitive, but there are those out there that take it a little too far. You know the ones I am talking about. The guys you'll refuse to play with.
So I'm curious, what are some of your experiences with outrageous powergamers? Army lists, tactics, etc. I know this may cause some rants, but it'll be worth it to see that the grass may be greener on my side for once!
Just to get started, one thing I once saw was a guy who would run his rhinos back to back to keep the rear armor unexposed. The worst part: he would do this in non-tournament games.
Not sure whether its because it destroys the immersion of the game for me, or because its a dick attitude, but things like that kill the game for me!
What's wrong with running rhinos back to back? It's not cheesy or even powergaming. It's what I call a good tactician, good strategy or good defense.
To me, it's not their lists that gets to me. It's their attitude. If they play a power list and act all cocky and arrogant, then yeah, I wouldn't like it. If they know that you have a fluffy list but still take out their big guns to massacre you with, then yeah, I wouldn't like it. However, just because their list is hard to beat doesn't mean that they're total cheesy powergamers. I like to play a challenging army. If I encounter an army list that challenges me, next time I meet that player, I'm going to modify my army so that it will be on more even grounds.
LOL at whats wrong with running rhino's back to back(expletives removed) is there ever footage of german tigers running back to back at no time in history of anything as that been done. Reversing is alot slower obviously, i wouldn't say anything about it as its perfectly legal but i'd lose much respect for that gamer and most of my club would aswell...
Please mind language -- Canew
Last edited by Canew; May 21st, 2009 at 14:59.
Although it would look so stupid, its a tactic. Its like when people find glitches in computer games and expose them.
I think its just they want to win so bad you have to turn it into science and seeing as it isnt against the rules i wouldnt mind.
But i would have to point out "You must be taking the piss".
Wow, another "tactical" move. Which in all aspects destroys the intention of the game. A simple rule could easily solve this, but GW didn't think anyone would even contemplate such a cowardly tactic.
Vehicles moving in reverse, half the distance they can cover in each movement range. Combat <= 3" Cruising 3"<x<=6", and so forth. This would cripple this kind of move for various reasons. If any model in the squad moves at "cruising speed" they all do, and would all suffer during their firing phase.
To be honest, Rhino taking advantage of this is silly anyway, to look like a complete jackhole for +1 AV, but it shows the character of the player you are playing.
If my friend were to run a pair of Leman Russes doing this, I would beat my friend senseless.
But seriously this isn't even that good a tactic. Just move up close and engage in hand to hand, you will be hitting the rear armour automatically.
(The chances of you hitting the rear armour of a rhino anyway is fairly rare).
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"Powergamers" simply don't get it. This is a GAME, that's supposed to be FUN, the kind of thing you spend a few hours enjoying, after you've spent hours more enjoying the building and painting part. Even the tournaments are SUPPOSED to be fun.
For them, it's "win at all costs." As most have already pointed out, it's not that they run 8 monstrous creatures in their nid army, or three monoliths, or the double-lash-triple vindicator list, or, dare I say it, three land raiders or the old Lysanderwing army. It's not that they've barely assembled enough stuff to be playable, none of which is even PRIMED, let alone painted. It's not their obsession with getting the rules letter-perfect. I've dealt with challenging, tough armies before and enjoyed it. I don't blame people for having trouble finding the time to paint, and attention to the rules keeps some players honest.
No, as has been said, it's the attitude.
Powergamers don't paint their models because they simply can't be bothered. They declare they don't read the fluff as a matter of pride, even though that's one major element that separates 40k from chess. They give you a smug smirk and say, "Well, show me where in the rules it says I CAN'T do that!"
This alone makes me want to smack them, but what really gets me is the utter lack of imagination these people possess, and not just when it comes to the modeling aspect. Their lists are frequently one-trick ponies, completely dependent upon one uber-unit or formation, and it's likely they have never even TRIED to play any other way, nor will they be likely to explore anything different. They will never buy new models, never try new tactics, never try proxying "just to see how this might work." Play 'em today, play 'em a year from now, you'll get the exact same game out of 'em. When/if you find a way to beat them, you're bound to be able to do it every single time. Total void of imagination. This is a game based on science fiction, which by definition is all about imagining what could, good or bad, be someday possible. The powergamers don't come into your club to talk about the 40k world. They don't bother with casual chat or discussion. It's sad, really. I honestly don't see why 40k appeals to them so much. I just know I want nothing to do with them.
I guess he was afraid I would maneuver some bolters around him?
I find it more amusing than anything really, and figured similar stories must be out there!
I think as others pointed out and Canew summed up nicely is that it's the attitude. I've played 'power-gaming' lists before as well as balanced but the bottom line is you have to be nice.
I take a lot of time and care in how I paint and model my army, but it's nothing if nobody wants to play against me!
I'm sorry, but my horrible 'power-gaming' experiences are more people oriented.
I once tried building a new army and wanted to discuss it with a game club member who frequently attended Grand tournaments with his 4th ed. He often played an Iron hands, 6 x Dreadnought-type Drop army. Every time we got into a discussion on units and tactics with me or other game club members his responses were usually curt and dismissive if it wouldn't work in his idea of a tournament setting. Now, perhaps our ideas did or did not have merit, however, the attitude he used was very off-putting. Needless to say I did not play him very much after that.
Last edited by Chirality; May 21st, 2009 at 16:03.
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