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I just got back from an RTT at my local GW, needless to say I lost, I went to have fun and win best themed (afterall both my partner and I brought the same army) oh yeah it was a doubles tournament. I'm still a fairly new WHFB player, but I know my tactics (which OMG is how I win.)
Anyways the reason I'm ticked and "moaning" is because I only lost the tournament is because in round 2 I had to play a partner ship consisting of GT winners/players (which is all they really do; play and go to GT's). I just dont think it's fair, yes I know the game it self isn't, but to have to face players of that caliber is BS. I don't think its right to pit somebody who has only been playing for like 4 months against someone who has been playing for 8 or so years. If they were nice about the stomping they gave us I probably wouldnt be so pissed. Give tactical advice, not laugh at my breaking from combat, stuff like that (game was filled with it).
I don't know, what are your thoughts on the whole situation?
Were the partnerships random or could you chose? Also did they already decide who you were up against in a tab;e of was it random? If it was all random then I suppose it's just unlucky.
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And this is why you dont play in tournements
Saps all the fun out of the game... because of the players, and the rules
It doesn't matter if you were facing GT winners or not, some people will go to tournies just so that they'll win. Nobody goes to a Tourny with a crap list if prepared and only the powergamers go for the cheese.
Tournies draw powergamers, get over it. I know one guard player who is just dominating the "Iz the Boss" boards with his undefeated flanking gunline.
Create flames for a galaxy and it will be warm. Put a galaxy in flames and it will be warm for the rest of it's existence.
Tournaments are designed with the competitive player in mind. Other things, such as awards for themed armies, etc., are thrown in as an after thought; in a tournament setting, you will always face power gamers and people who strive to win. In terms of facing a GT winner or two, that's not a big deal; if winning is so important to you, or having a "fair" chance, design better lists and learn from your losses.
I would be happy to play a GT winner, if they're good sports, because then I know I'd learn something about the game and get some nifty experience. Especially as a new player, I'd treat it as a learning experience more than anything else. The only way to get better is to play people better than you, that's typically true of any sort of competition.
We chose our partners before hand mine, a very good friend and experienced player, got an emergency call and left after round one. The ringer I got assigned who didn't play WHFB didn't help matters (which is part of my complaint I suppose). Round 1 pairings were random then it was based on battle points. I dont know what their point were but I know what ours were as we won our first game. Where Both partnerships had fun, as I'm a lax player and so were they so we were giving things like out of charge range half an inch, a 12 man grapeshot stuff like that to each other.
I understand tournaments are full of competative people, when it comes to 40k I'm very much so (depending on the army I have with me). In fact I'm not challenged enough in 40k and would love to fight a GT player, but this wasn't a 40k tournament. I know the guys we played they were Ld2 members who are typically nice and teach you tactics, tell you what you did wrong etc. But no they laughed, one insulted me, and didn't say S*&T after the game aside from good game (it wasn't) which was about the time I was going "I need a smoke".
All I'm saying is I don't think it's right for them to come down to our small shop where we all know each other, and are crazy lax and nice and not do the same in return. I just think GT players should play people of their caliber, which is why they go to GT's in the first place, to win and get a challenge! I can't handle it.
Design a tournament for more relaxed players then. I ena, a RTT is official, so it naturally is going to get some better players. It's like going to compete in a game of professional basketball and being upset that there are professionals playing. It sounded like those guys were cocky (whoopee, you can play a miniature wargame better than me. Now let's see who can run a mile faster, do better in class, and interact with a wider social network ) You don't have to be a good player to be arrogant, and you don't have to be arrogatn to be a good player. Don't let them define everyone who is a GT winner.
Also, ringer is a term normally used for someone who is really good under the guise of being a new player.
Also, you buy Games Workshop products and smoke? You've picked two too expensive habits. Good luck.
Also, girls don't want to be 'hunted'. Most prefer to be talked to. Sorry, but it had to be said.
You had a legitimate reason to be upset with the guys you played with, but don't let one circumstance drive you to a conclusion. Build up a few more examples for your case, and be prepared accept whether your hypothesis is right or wrong.
I am heading off to the Peace Corps. It is bery likely I will not be back. Good luck to all of you endeavors.
Don't enter serious tourny's without a serious army...
yes fluffy/well painted/dark eldar armies may make a little man called Jervis Johnson smile and give you a hug, but other than that you enter a tourny to win. If the guys laughed at you... well if you entered an army looking like it isn't serious/wants to win they may well laugh at their glee for a free ticket to the next round. 'nuff said.
Why are so many people down on the Dark Eldar?
What's up with that?
Besides, it's not about the GT, or the Tournament. It's your opponent you are upset with. No one likes playing someone who not only beats them but mocks them too. I know I don't. Some of the best games I played at last year's GT were the ones that I lost. It's not about winning its about having fun.
The result should be incidental to the game. Not the only thing that matters.
Of course if you are a sore loser then you are the one who needs to get with it. Nothing spoils a game of 'xxxxx' (enter your favourite game here). That a sore loser. Losing well is a skill that should be developed and honed. Check out what LN said. That's the attitude that gets you places.
In games i remember losing against such opponents, i found it hard to really take anything from the game. But there have been other games that i have lost against fantastic opponents, after which we both reflected on our own and each others army lists.
And those kinda experiences helped me to become a good winner too. If hardcore tourney players go to local tourneys to win, thats fair enough. But if they aim to get an ego boost from thrashing beginners, its not great for the game...