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    Digital dice...

    So I was brain farting around and an idea popped in my head. Warhammer Digital dice...The example would be simple. Instead of rolling 40 dice, you just enter the number of dice to roll on a calculator pad. The screen would display how many 1's, 2's, etc. Then the program could ask for What +, like pick out all 3+'s and roll again...etc.

    I know I could write something like this up on a PC, but just thought wow if it could be made quick and user friendly, no more throwing dice all over. Not that I mind dice rolling...

    I did find a computer based program similar to the idea (http://www.heresy-online.net/forums/...ad.php?t=30865) but was thinking if it was made into a portable device like a calculator size, it would be a staple in my army at least.

    Thoughts...?

    Last edited by Dark Trainer; August 11th, 2009 at 18:00.
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    Here's something I wrote quickly in javascript. If you have an iphone you could run it on that

    http://stonehambey.com/dice.html

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    LoL, never thought about using a basic java supported device!
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    it's in javascript, not java. As far as I know the iphone doesn't support java applets in its browser, but it does do javascript

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    VERY NICE, SAMMY!

    i like it.. might have to bring the ol laptop to the FLGS.
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    There was a rather large discussion on this topic a few months ago... While I cannot disagree with that it's very practical, it just doesn't feel the same to me and it raises the question if the computer application can simulate perfect chance and if it is fair to use one over dice.

    A link to an older topic.
    http://www.librarium-online.com/foru...ce-roller.html (Using a mobile phone as a Dice Roller)

    Dice generally not able to be perfectly random and the result is affected by how you shake them in your hand, what they hit when they roll and variations in casting (because there will always be imperfect batches with differences you only notice if you rigorously examine them). Casino dice are pretty much the only ones who are "perfect"

    One would think that the software is, indeed, fairer than using actual dice, based on what I have written above, but the thing is that you cannot calculate and predict how the above factors affect the die roll, which makes it part of the "chance"-aspect and the final result and thus keeps it "fair".

    But, machines cannot generate perfect chance either. A machine is told to pick a random number, from 1 to 6, and does a series of calculations which result in said number. While it appears random, it is not the same as picking up a dice and rolling it (and as I've said, neither of those are actually that random).

    For me, the dice are part of the game. And rolling a huge batch is not a pain, but enjoyable (to me at least). I would be fine with using a software but I think that it should be discussed by the players before the game and they should decide that either they both use the software or they both use dice.
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    I don't know, one of the most fun aspects of the game is having a group of people crowd around your table waiting for you to roll the game breaking roll, the one that decides a win or a loss.
    I feel like just pushing a button and then telling everyone what you got would be, less fun and hollow.
    Of course it would be convienient and I understand the resasoning behind it, but im not sure I would do it.
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    Yeah, don't like electronic dice rollers either. Takes much of the fun and magic out of the game.

    On the other hand. I remember reading a study that found that GW dice consistently rolled "1"'s more than any other dice.

    I wish I could track down that study because it could generate lots of interesting discussions.

    In the end though, when it comes down to the line, the numbers we're talking about when we discuss the "consistency" or "randomness" of dice rolls is pretty high. High enough that I don't really make an issue of it while playing a fun game of warhammer. The "random" factor of dice is enough to make penny pincher in Vegas wince, but most tabletop players don't have millions of dollars on the line.

    and... Am i mistaken, or are there Iphone apps that allow you to shake your phone to make dice rolls? That may provide an interesting middle ground here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kpooh View Post
    and... Am i mistaken, or are there Iphone apps that allow you to shake your phone to make dice rolls? That may provide an interesting middle ground here.
    There are iphone apps that will wipe your arse for you if you look hard enough, so I'm almost certain there's a dice rolling one out there

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    Quote Originally Posted by kpooh View Post
    On the other hand. I remember reading a study that found that GW dice consistently rolled "1"'s more than any other dice.

    I wish I could track down that study because it could generate lots of interesting discussions.
    Well there's always this.
    YouTube - Game Science Part 1 of 2
    YouTube - Game Science Part 2 of 2

    In short, mass-produced factory dice always have a few faults inherit in the process of casting them. These effect the die roll in varying ways.

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