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Hey, please don't kill me for being a heretic. I love 40k, but it is too expensive and it takes too much time setting everything up, measuring, moving figures. I don't particularly like the painting of the models, and I can live without looking at the models on the field - as cool as they are. I like the strategy part. I was thinking of making a 40k-like game on a large sheet of grid paper. Movement would be easy to measure based on the grid squares. This would save time. It would also save time to just mark your units on the field with a pencil mark. You could erase where the troops previously had been. The dice rolling would stay the same. The only difference is no figures, no mess, quicker - more intense gameplay. You could draw some symbols, or use some shorthand. Would any of you be interested in a game like this, or think that it is feasible?
PS: I also had the idea of maybe making the units, factions, armies open source. The online community, or the group that you play with regularly could decide what a decently powerful army should be. Therefore someone won't just pump up an army like crazy to make it super powerful. Besides, that wouldn't make the game very challenging anyway. This would mean that after playing Tau for 2 years and getting bored of it, you wouldn't have to shelf everything and purchase all new units. You could just choose to play a new army and find the rulebook, or open source rules for your own version! This would be soooo much cheaper. Cost is often a big factor when people decide whether to play 40k or not. This would allow more people to appreciate this wonderful strategy game. And, if your armies start to get dull - the online community might decide to give each army a new unit, or rework part of the army.
What do you guys think?
Sorry but this would'nt appeal to me. The best part of the hobby for myself and a lot of others i imagine is collecting and painting the army in the first place. Valid point about cost though. GW are the most expensive miniatures i've come across, but then they have the most extensive ranges and backgroung, and a lot of stores. Good lick with the idea K rad, a lot of interesting thoughts.
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K rad, I can appreciate where you're coming from, and it's not a bad alternative to all the money and hours us folk invest in the game. However, let me point out two weak spots in your current proposal:
1) The Grid: Having a pre-marked field virtually eliminates all guess work involved in having to "eyeball" distances- both for shooting and assault. This eyeballing is part of the game and incorporates a natural risk. For example: shooting at an enemy unit that is on the edge of your weapon's max range.
2) Marking squads by pencil: Eh, time consuming. Can you imagine having to do with for a 100+ swarm? Why not just use the proxy system: Go out and purchase any number of like size object, such as erasure heads for pencils, or even cheap pre-painted plastic toys of approximately the same dimensions.
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Sounds like warhammer is not your style of hobby.
I would consider looking into a different hobby, or just playing the Dawn of War video games.
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Orks - 8W 0L 0D
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I actually know a game where people move different models around a grid board representing the movements of an army.
Its extremely strategic and very cost effective.
Its called CHESS, consider this a recommendation.
Current painting project: 2300 pts of Dwarfs in 5 weeks.
Pen and paper wargames are tedious TBH. They have been around for DONKEY's years and 40 K rules are AWFUL compared to soem of teh good Pen and paper sets out there..whyever would you want to adpat 40K rules to pen and paper when there are superior rules which ARE open source?
Midieval Wargame - Pen & Paper Games
Even playing with counters representing troops (or cardboard cutout troops) might be OK.
But as the others said - you find the hobby expensive and don;t care too much about the models, then it seems silly to love the rather poor ruleset with no redeeming features of models and hobby...40K and fantasy are probably not for you.....
Sounds interesting but to be honest personally I'd like to see the re-release of games like Space Crusade or something similar, perhaps a simpler version of Epic or something with less classy miniatures and sets of armies to use costing maybe $40 or below for a starter set and $5-15 for booster sets, so if you get sick of playing as the army you've got you can whack it off to someone else and replace everything in one go.
Warmaster and the Battle of 5 Armies are aall good, and Epic is still supported as a game, as is Necromunda.
Got a "good" rumour from a GW staffer? Forget about it, LO'ers know more than any random GW shop staffer.
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I use to be a rebel but in this case I go with the majority.
I play because of the models, the opportunity to move figures on a table full of scenery, use my imagination.
Pen and paper strategy game? No way! Pen and paper: I would play RPG. The grid thing already explained. Like Heroes of Might and Magic without a computer...
The rules are not that good, the models and the background makes the WH40K what it is!
Sorry rad, not for me.
Ps.: You can have a huge army for a very good price, for less then a usual night out. If the main thing is the strategy, You can choose orks, and You can have painted, oldschool boys for pennies (cents). Just proxy the other stuff.