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The idea came to me having left a rant in a recent thread concerning a letter to LO from GW.
Initially, i'm really just intrigued into gauging interest in my "campaign" really, basically wondering how many people already ignore the idiots who leave their tainted mark on everyone's favourite hobby. I can imagine that this thread will become full of frustration (from vets especially lol).
Ok, so the idea is that i'm going to attempt to lead a "Boycott of idiocy", as stated in the title. Post (sign up) in this thread stating your agreement and commitment to the cause (if you agree and are willing of course ).
Ready? Then repeat after me...
I hereby declare that:
- While i am happy to spend money on GW product, i do not necessarily agree with the amount i am forced to pay in order to partake in the hobby
- I refuse to buy into White Dwarf while it remains a shadow of its former self, and will not buy a single issue until the quality of the content has returned from its current adverts back to quality gaming articles
- I refuse to buy into any attempt by GW to create an "awesome spin-off" that will inevitably fall flat on its face in a matter of weeks (examples include Mighty Empires, War of the Ring, etc)
Ok, to some this may sound stupid or whatever, possibly a tad OTT, but thats the idea really, and the point is that id like to gauge opinion on this issue. If its as much as i expect it could be then we could look at putting something together to forward to the guys at GW in an attempt to improve the current state of the hobby for all.
So, your support, thoughts and opinions below please (being sure to stick to forum rules of course)
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I agree with what you've said to an extent. I think there are a lot of issues that GW have worked to address but in doing so have neglected others and let them fall even further.
The website is obviously something they're working hard on at the moment, there are updates and new articles every day, albeit mostly advert style articles, and the layout could be better, but at the same time I still think they're missing the point with it.
I agree that there needs to be some sort of shakeup.
I agree that there is a lot more that GW could do to make the hobby more fan-orientated.
I agree that we are paying through the nose for products.
I disagree that GW keep puting out "flops", yes WotR is a flop, but then so was the whole LotR range, it really was a poisoned challenge. GW have created a whole load of (rather expensive) high quality gamer aids to increase the gameply experience: counters, movement tray advancements, expansions, gameboards, plastic maps. Some of these ARE more successful than others, some of them are flops. That's always going to be the case.
As for the WD issue well, it has become better in recent months, but it is still very much a catalogue not a hobby magazine. I just wish it were possible for other companies to create an impartial magazine that could focus on GW without the IP lawyers getting on their tail.
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Although I was the one who initially suggested setting up some kind of petition in the 'Letter' thread, I doubt that this is really the stance that it should take. Basically, if I were a GW manager reading over your 'pledge', I'd be replying thusly"Big deal. I don't care if you like spending that much money- you're still spending the cash. No fears for me- stop your whining"- While i am happy to spend money on GW product, i do not necessarily agree with the amount i am forced to pay in order to partake in the hobbyYou're complaining from a website full of gaming articles. You originally complained that all battlereports were falsified. There is no pleasing you. At least this way we make a profit by advertising our products.- I refuse to buy into White Dwarf while it remains a shadow of its former self, and will not buy a single issue until the quality of the content has returned from its current adverts back to quality gaming articlesThis is a bit more threatening, but it hurts what we want. I agree with 'Artificially Enhanced' that while most of these offshoots didn't amount to anything, many actually have. GW is already cutting down on it's Specialist Games. We're losing support for Epic, Warmaster, Necromunda, Inquisitor, Battlefleet Gothic, and BloodBowl. The books released for CityFight and Cities of Death have become almost as important as the BRB in my group, and are the only reasons that I still play 40k.- I refuse to buy into any attempt by GW to create an "awesome spin-off" that will inevitably fall flat on its face in a matter of weeks (examples include Mighty Empires, War of the Ring, etc)
This is actually just reinforcing their business plan in a way that we don't want.
The only thing that is going to shake GW, is if a large portion of their customers claim a 100% boycott of their material. However, even this seems to be ignored, as their sales are already slipping constantly. I wish that it would work, but I doubt that it will work on a company like GW. They rule this market with an iron fist, and they have the business ethics of a heroin dealer.
As far as Phoenix's points go, I mostly agree with them. But I don't know that anyone outside of this forum will really care. I don't buy White Dwarf now anyways, and the minis/bitz I don't buy from eBay come from my local game shop, meaning GW gets less for the products I buy than if I bought direct. But short of quitting the hobby again, there's not much else I can really do to hurt them.
Unless we can somehow quantify how GW's attitude and lack of support are hurting their own bottom line, they've really got no reason to sit up and listen to us.
The whole thing can be summed up by an article from the last White Dwarf I ever bought. The battle-report team had gone to all the trouble to set up a multi-table apoc battle with huge tables, armies, a moon with a laser to shoot down at the first 2 tables, and a cool system for the 2 generals in command to give orders to their various sub forces with top-down "satellite" photos and hand-written notes representing transmissions to and from home base.
So what does Jervis, the Imperial Overlord-General do? He walks in, puts his feet up, and gives turn after turn of nonsense orders and basically turns the whole thing into a great big joke. No strategy, no thought. Just, like, whatever dude.
THAT sums up GW's attitude to me.
I haven't bought a White Dwarf since Chapter Approved was removed.
I doubt I will buy it anytime soon.
The prices are high, but by buying them online from 3rd Party sites they can be brought down a notch or 2.
As for spin offs. I enjoyed Necromunda, Gorkamorka and Space Hulk. Mordenheim was quite good and I've always wanted to play some Epic.
So if they do not release these spin offs, we will never have games like that again.
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Yeah, and those spin-offs are what used to bring new ideas into the game. The entire Tyrannid race, for example, came from the seeds of Space Hulk. These days it seems like GW gets all it's new ideas from the 40K video games made by others.
Got a "good" rumour from a GW staffer? Forget about it, LO'ers know more than any random GW shop staffer.
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Older games like Necromunda and the likes are good, they are separate games that exist within theirselves. The spin offs to which I refer are the ones which require players to spend obscene amounts of money on stuff they will only use for the spin off (Apocalypse is a perfect example... who wants 5 baneblades!?). Gangs for Necromunda cost £20 and the rules are free online. A 10Kpts Apoc army costs... a LOT, and then the rule book is extra to that...
Hopefully this helps clarify that point