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I don't know if its just in my area but i find that most players under 18 dont read the rules at all. They just seem to read the title of the ability or upgrade and just guess what it does. I have only been playing for 1.5 years but i have been correcting players who have been playing for 6+ years. Heres some things i can think of off the top of my head that have happened to me about rules: someone thought upgrades were free, another person thought that leaping for nids makes them jump infantry, someone thinking that some premeassureing rule (for a specific unit only) for IG (old codex) applied to all units, a person who played for 7 years thought blast templates were handelded with no scatter, but rolling to hit and the worst player thought that you used WS to shoot instead of BS. From all of these players i have heard the usual "but thats what the codex/rulebook says." Has anyone else had any experiances like this?
Then you have the advantage of only knowing 5th edition 40kI have only been playing for 1.5 years but i have been correcting players who have been playing for 6+ years.I would guess they were more cheating than ignorantsomeone thought upgrades were freeIf they didn't also try to move then 12" in the assault phase, I'd say it was an understandable mistake especially if they were new to the codex.another person thought that leaping for nids makes them jump infantrycheatersomeone thinking that some premeassureing rule (for a specific unit only) for IG (old codex) applied to all unitsThat's how it USED to work.a person who played for 7 years thought blast templates were handelded with no scatter, but rolling to hitNow this is either cheating or incredible ignorance!and the worst player thought that you used WS to shoot instead of BSI would say we've all make mistakes like this - the less severe mistakes at least. I know I'm sometimes corrected on a rule I thought I had down pat due to weird wording.From all of these players i have heard the usual "but thats what the codex/rulebook says." Has anyone else had any experiances like this?
I never player 40k when I was younger, but my friends did, and they openly confess that they just assumed they knew what the rules were after a cursory glance at the rulebook. One had all the others convinced that every time a model got into base-to-base with Kharne the Betrayer, they automatically lost a wound. And that Kharne's toughness was too high to be wounded by storm bolters...
The absolute worst was a rich guy at my high school who bought 3000 points of 40k without even opening a rulebook, paid another guy to paint them all, and then rocked up with his models and a bag of marbles. Why marbles? He thought that you played the game by rolling marbles at the units, and if you knocked them over they were dead. No shit.
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This is something that has always suprised me. I very rarely play but I often find I have as good a knowledge of the rules as people who reckon they know the rulebook off the top oif their heads- these are the people you see making elemenetary mistakes. You can expect it from little kids though I guess.
At the end of the day 40k (and WHFB even more so to some extent) is a complex game with A LOT of rules, particularly if you add in all the special rules from the codexes (codexii?) So everyone will need to refer to the book at least a couple of times during a game- i think the trick is to be aware of as much as you can so that you can query if someone is doing something that doesnt seem right, either accidently or for some nefarious purpose.
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Whether accidental (misread rulebook) or intentional (cheating), I think the best way to handle rules disputes is to... look at the rules. Sounds simple, and it is. If someone says, "It's in the rulebook" or "it's in the codex," politely ask them to cite chapter and verse. No quicker way to educate someone who is in error or call someone out who is cheating.
Either way, if you make them look it up enough, the problem will eventually go away, regardless of the motives behind it.
Which is why you never play 40K (or pretty much any GW game) without the rule book and codex (for each army present) as well as any additional rule books being used (eg cities of death). I would also add that the FAQ should be printed off and present as well since that can sometimes help to solve some common confusing areas between codexes.
To play without the rules is risking a lot since there are a massive number of rules and a massive number of things that conflict with them as well as the chances of wordings that can sometimes say something slightly different to what people remember/expect.
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Anyway, something that irks me is people within my gaming group who refuse to read the rulebook simply because other people have. They have learnt the game by asking questions and refuse to check rules themselves, often interrupting someone elses game to ask them to look up a rule for them.
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Its funny the OP mentions U18's as being very rules ignorant. From experience its more the U13's you find in GW stores that dont know what theyre doing.
As it happens, the U18s in my group are all very rules savvy, even if some of them get mixed up between editions, and its the players who have been playing for ages and think they know every rule and stat from every army make the mistakes.
Case in point A blood angel player, who thought that:
A tiny peice off fluff enabled him to take moriar the chosen and 2 free furioso dreads.
That all his units had +1 attack for "Being a blood angel."
That his death company had 2 wounds
And his chaplian could escape from a combat by using his jump pack to kill Base to base models.
That his dreads had a special tear attack that could Instant kill a fex, simply by hitting it.
and despite not playing Nids, he seemed to know that the synapse creatures do not cover themselves in synapse, and that i had to use another unit.
Whilst not horrifcally bad compared to the likes of Ze-Poodles story, the guy was very arrogant and refused to listen to a word i said, and claimed that, as hed been playing for 10+ years compared to my 2 at the time, he must of been right.
So yes to the OP, but not in the age group he surgests.
Last edited by Heirodule; January 17th, 2010 at 15:41.
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