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So while helping my longtime friend, and tournament partner decide on what army to bring to a local doubles tournament and interesting argument occurred. He owns a large 5k deathwing army, painted in a camo (mossy oak style) scheme. (It's quite nice as he's won best painted on numerous occasions). But he plays them as vanilla marines sometimes.
Now I'm a space wolf player. This being a doubles tournament I brought up the suggestion he run his deathwing terminators as wolf guard terminators with Logan, wolf guard as troops, grimnar (so its basically the same list).
The tournament directers, a.k.a. local store employees overheard this brainstorming session and immiediatley put the kaibosh on it. Saying, "those are terminators but they arn't space wolf terminators." Also saying, "sorry but the Space Wolf pack has been out for a while now."
now aside from some wargear and paint scheme when did a terminator from the Dark Angels chapter become different from one from the Templars, Blood angels, or Space wolves for that matter? I mean Seriously! How come dark angels and blood angels armies can be run vanilla but can't be run as space wolves!? Throw me a bone here please, because last I checked they all had the same marines. (diff special rules I know! but thats not the point)
I guess because the store people want you to buy more stuff. Theres nothing saying that to use a deathwing they must be bone coloured, space wolves must have fur coats etc. They are just getting whiney and anal about it because you are not buying anything.
Tell them to shove it - and tell as many people as you can going to the tournament. Boycott that B.S and they will re-think their stubborn idiocy.
Terminators are Terminators are Terminators.
Say they're a sect of Space wolf Terminators that have become adapted to a forested planet/continent.
I run an Ork Equivalency Human army - and to anybody that has a question why what is what - I have an explanation. I've been accused of Proxying - and I simply claimed that the models I used are for the sole purpose of their current use - and that they not accepting a conversion is simply attacking a section of the hobby, as I point to their "Tabletop quality" (Excuse for laziness and a sheer waste of models) Ork army.
My army is unique, and so can yours. Its a part of the hobby. Not every model is the same. Tell your store managers if they still don't accept after all that - that they should have an 'AOBR policy' where only units out of that single kit are accepted.
Although it's frustrating, when you want to proxy models it's usually the custom to politely give your opponants (or GMs if there are any) the right of refusal. There are a few cases I know of where GW has specified proxies as completely legal, like Special Characters for standard HQ models but it's not generally the rule I think. I can understand your frustration and concern for your friend though, while it's the right of your opponant to refuse, generally speaking most people are easy going and would allow it. In the case of what you're talking about, one kind of Imperial Terminator for another, I would certainly allow it myself. I hope you and your friend can have a good time, even with this setback, let us know, 'kay?
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I think you're looking at the situation wrong here. This isn't "This can of coke is a dreadnaught" or "this Rhino is a Predator" even. The proxy rules are there so that everyone understands what everything represents and how much of a lazy ass the above cases make you. Winginson is right when he says that the store owner just wants to make money but who is honestly going to be confused by the fact that your terminators represnt terminators. Added to this is the fact that girlhunter2102 and his friend will likely be bragging about their sick all-spacewolf partnership. Is this an actual GW store? If it is I wouldn't be surprised.
"sir, you're going to have to purchase Black Templar marines for your army".
I suggest you buy a space wolf army, then paint and play them as Dark Angels. Just for the sake of it.
I think a good fluff reason why they look like they do could ease it up abit n most cases (not when the case is for selling more models). If they don't buy a decent explonation, I think I would consider if it's worth playing there or gather your friends somewhere else to play.
Next time you see one of them start to play a game say something like "Those are not space wolves, they are the wrong shade of blue" or "That model has parts off another armies sprues so you can't use it" or "Your power weapons aren't connected to a battery, so they just count as regular CC weapons".
Just say it is still a "Death Wing" army but you feel that the newer more powerful (stuipid codex creep) Space wolf Codex will give you a better chance at winning so you want to use those rules as a proxy to the other seriously outdated codex. The first thing i think of when i see an all terminator army is Deathwing! not Logan with guard, as long as you follow WYSIWYG (terminator armor and proper weapons) they seriously can't have a problem with it.
If they still have a problem with this, tell them you no longer plan on attending the store's tournaments or purchasing from them. they need to know that stupid rules like this create buisness problems
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Get some cheap felt or something (wolf fur lulz) and blu tack it onto the models and tell the TOs to kiss your butt.
Why do foolish people insist on doing this over and over again?!?
You have valid models, using a valid rule set. So long as their gear is correct, they could be painted in pink and polka-dots with giant daisies for hats and nobody else has any right to tell you that you can or cannot play with your own models!! It's your army, you're free to build it however you like - if they seriously can't get their thick heads around that concept, I'd agree with the others in calling for a boycott until they get themselves sorted.