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I see alot of people now wanting to field titans in their 40k armies. I think those monstrosities are just too big to be on the table, even the warhound titans are very very nasty. What do you think?
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I'd love to have one for our White Scars army.It would fit so Nicely with my fluff and it would be glorious to see the ting on the table,stonping all over the enemy and mangling them beyond regonition :wub:
I'd mainly use it for show..I'd conver the hell out of it too...have scaffolding and little Mechanicus guys crawling all over it.It would be womderful *look of deep longing*
I voted no for a several reasons:
First they are optional rules. It imposes a burden on another player to field one when they may not have a copy of the rules. An offer to look at the rules before playing isn't enough time to know them well enough to use them.
Second, they are just out of scale for the rest of the game. Super heavies and titans are just too big to be in a table top battle of 40k. A larger scale game like Armored Assault or Mech Warrior which deals with large armor would be more appropriate. There a "squad" is represented by a single figure and is rated with a single stat line of their potential compared to heavy armor.
And last it brings an "arms war" into an already expensive hobby. Whoever can afford the most expensive model gets the best force. Already 40k is on the verge of money making the army. I never want to hear "I can afford models of termies, armor, and special characters so my army will be stronger than yours"
However the models are very cool. Among friends who are on the same footing (have the rules, models, stec) they can be very fun. I still think they are too large for tabletop battles. On a 4x8' they look like it should be a half move to jump off the edge. I like a scale where a titan would be about the size of a dreadnought miniature, but Epic is a little too small for my tastes.
Then again I come from the school of thought that says tanks are a bit pointless in the game too.
Gaming tables just aren't big enough for things that are supposed to be massively mobile.
Unless you have a really big gaming table of course.
God could you imagine playing a game with titans on each side in 40K scale? You'd have to use a whole back yard as a game board! That would be bitchin'! The biggest 40k game in history,using multiple titans,Thunderhawks,and all those other insanely overpriced models.It would be like 40,000 points each army! I have a new goal in life now!
In which case you just play Epic.
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Which is exactly what I want to do...only in 40k scale :wacko:
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Very well put, WolfRaider. That's the reason I stopped play M:tG back in the day.And last it brings an "arms war" into an already expensive hobby. Whoever can afford the most expensive model gets the best force. Already 40k is on the verge of money making the army. I never want to hear "I can afford models of termies, armor, and special characters so my army will be stronger than yours"
But I think that it's alright. First off, it's a FW item, so you need your opponent's permission. If you don't have the army to handle something like that, then say no. Second, they're expensive. You don't see (smart) people playing with a titan and 1000pts of 40K models, that's just dumb. You see Titans in huge games that usually involve more than two players and frequently more than just one super-heavy or titan. So it becomes a new level for veterans & uber-enthuseists(sp?) to climb to, but not a NECESSARY level. I know of two people who own them at my store, and they only even SUGGEST using them when we all want to play mega-battles, and it's always one per side.
Then again, I think the larger scale titans are almost obscene for 40K battles. If you have to represent the model with a PART of the model (Emperor Titans, for example), then you've gone above and beyond the scope of the game. Maybe it comes down to the WYSIWYG rule - if you can fit the WHOLE model into the deployment zone, use it, but if you have to proxy or use only the footprint due to height concerns or whatever, then no.
Plus, what non-Catachan IG player do you know that DOESN'T wand a Baneblade?
Titans just don't belong in 40k unless:
It's a special scenario mission.
The titan itself is a mission objective.
The opponent has sufficient weaponry to actually damage a titan. (lava cannons, weapons capable of multiple structural point damage)
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I voted smaller titans but I'd say only for battles of over 2000pts.
And if you've got the time you can make a titan from other model kits and bits and peices, so you don't have to go and spend a fortune on a FW titan.
I made a very small (only 6" tall) titan from a variety of model kits including a WW2 higgins boat, a WW2 fighter plane,HMS hood and Anakin sky walker pod racer. which all up only cost about $100(australian) all up, I'll try to post a pic later.
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