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Now I'm not here to slate Games Workshop.
They are table top wargamings fairy tale success story and are fantastic world leaders for the hobby, investing millions in the development of plastic model kits...
For a company that has a viscous legal team and maliciously protects its copy wright and portfolio of products and designs they don't half copy A LOT of ideas, the spark for this rant is the new Dark Eldar miniatures... that wouldn't look out of place in a Nyss army or a Cryx force, I mean come on guys look how ripped off the new Talos is
Would love to get other gamers feed back on this
You must refer to the wraith engine of warmachine yes?Well concidering that this thing looks like a mechanised hivetyrant,id say they rip each other off.
The entire Cryx range looks like a necron/dark elf hybrid.Although to be honest i really dont know who created their ranges first.
And if that one is not a techpriest IDK what it is: The High Reclaimer 2010 | Privateer Press
To sum it up: Dont worry about rip offs it happens all the time,this the coorporate world.Let us just enjoy high quality miniatures at the most affordable prices and if they want to rip off one another let them have as long as we get great products.
Edit: Damn it that one looks exactly like a techpriest convertion,if someone threw a picture of it at my desk saying:Like my new techpriest?I built him myself.
Id say:Wow you have amazing skills!
Last edited by pilot00; May 11th, 2011 at 21:56.
Praise be to the Emperor!!
It may of been a hobby at first but now first and foremost it is a company. GW is in its own way very delicately on the edge of a knife when it comes to their portfolio. They wont risk loosing that which they have as it would reduce their image and they would look more like their competitors. This in turn would see their sales dip and investors wouldn't like that much. Even if it does seem like other ranges to you there generally is a large enough gap originality wise, Otherwise GW could be taken to court for the same reason afore mentioned they take people to court. Also a bit of what you see might spark from mutual inspiration from either side, Sure GW has lost designers in the past who end up working on ranges like what you see or working in those companies.
Although I agree there is a somewhat lack of originality in someways and it can be annoying you won't see it change, they will always end up sticking to what works so that they can make their profits. You really wont see them risking huge amounts of money by coming up with ranges which might end up selling crap, the company can't support that.
"Reached under the bed and pulled out a Converse and a beer, I appear to of developed the miraculous power to turn shoes into beer!.... or beer into shoes." - Fallen Autarch after St. Patricks day.
There's the urban legend of Games Workshop taking a independent designer to court over copying Warmaster, they soon dropped the case when he proved he had been designing long before Warmaster was released and that some of his billing addresses were to the Perry twins... epic fail GW.
Urban legends don't mean they couldn't be true. Just means that it has been told so much that the facts may have completely changed. So if it did happen. Then it's kinda fail.
Wow, initially I thought that you were going to say that GW copied WoW or something, because then I'd have to drop kick you from the nearest tall building.
No, GW's line has existed far longer than almost any other modeling company out there on the forefront. A lot of stuff that you see from other companies is trying to emulate GW's success- just look at Reaper and their Dark Havens game, practically the same start that GW got with WHFB.
Anyways, the reason that some of the stuff from PP looks similar to stuff from GW, is that they actually stole a handful of GW's designers. They offered better pay in a company that looked shiny, new, and promising. By comparison, GW was suffering a shakeup, as their last few "originators" were being bought out/retiring/replaced and control was shifting to the investors (many of whom don't play the game at all, if you're wondering why "GW" is strangling the game, it's actually just GW llc).
Furthermore, consider this- if you were sculpting a Wraith Engine or a Talso from scratch, without ever having seen one, how would you do it? I bet they would both look quite similar. It's quite clear that the two companies are trying to be as original as possible. Compare the RoS to the Eldar. The RoS jacks are big and bulky in their skirts, while Eldar mechs tend to be light and wispy.
You're going to see a lot of "tropes" or conventional interpretations within a modelling range. Going back to the RoS vs. Eldar comparison- both games represent the Elves as being tall, fair haired, pointy-eared, lithe, civilized, long lived and dying race. Where does that come from? The first elves that I heard of followed a jolly red disciple of Nurgle to and fro delivering pestilential gifts to children around the globe, on a sleigh pulled by reindeer gifted with daemonic flight. They were short, stout, and had more in common with Dwarves than anything else. So why the tall skinny fey folk? Tolkien- because he set the stage for most contemporary views of mythological races. But even Tolkien was ripping off the Norwegian, German, Welsh, and Icelandic traditions that came before him.
Fiction is a living, breathing thing, and no matter how "original" you are trying to be, you are trapped within people's conventional sense of what fiction is. Remember how frustrated people got whenever S.Meyers tried to re-envision Vampires? We all know that Vampires are remorseless killing machines who'd rather have raped Bella and left her exsanguinated corpse in some dirty city alleyway than run around sparkling in the sunshine and drinking deerblood so they can have some weird hippy-love for the humans. Now imagine if a Bonejack looked like a Giant wearing a Skeleton-suit Halloween costume. You get my point? Both companies are working within the limitations that you the consumer have forced upon them.
Captain - While I wholeheartedly support your argument - there is another factor no one has mentioned.
GW / Grenadier / Ral partha / AD&D / pretty-much-everyone-you've-ever-heard-of have always plagiarised other peoples work. Let's face it, elves dwarves hobbits etc etc....................I mean please.
Let's not forget that most (but not all) of the existing imagery is down to famous authors - be it Tolkien (for "high fantasy") or Asimov (for Science Fiction). Most of what we know today originates in their novels (and many others). All the companies - existing or otherwise defunct - have ever done is visualise the writers creations.
There's a huge list of literary work our there that in real terms is effectively the "knowledge base" that provided the concepts of what the companies produce today. GW have NEVER been hugely original - yes they show flashes of it, but then so does everyone occasionally. The truth is these guys take ideas and make them "real" - that's what they're good at and I don't fault them for it.
The real credit must always lie with Stoker, Conan Doyle, Asimov, Tolkien, The brothers Grimm, Hans Christian-Andersen and all the other true visionaries - hell, even the people back in the dark ages, look at bretonnians, wood elves and the like! What's not gleaned from fiction is based upon historical references.
Come to think of it......I can't think of anything GW has done which could technically be classed as "Truly Original". Maybe the Skaven - but that's about it.
Last edited by Fantasticmrfox; May 12th, 2011 at 09:28.
What's so bad about GW being "un-original"" anyway? If they do something well and it's widely available and evenly-priced - well I'm happy!