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So, in a change of pace from all the zealots flaming GW and it's supposed carcinogenic resin models (! I have spoken to GW staff, not carcinogenic. Do not sand, fine dust particles are damaging, just like all fine dust, wear mask if sanding necessary !), I thought I'd talk about my thoughts on the new Finecast range.
Pros: No pinning, finer detail, matt-appearance, weight, flexibility, durability.
Cons: Little bit more expensive (though in-line with GW price rises anyway...), air bubbles on models, softer models, no longer potentially lethal weapons ("Eat Exorcist, kid!!")
I went into my local store today, early in the morning(new guy covered my shift at work, sucker), place was pretty damn busy, kids bouncing off walls. But I did get to chat to one of the guys for a little while, about resin being carcinogenic, checking out the models, the new details, etc. Ended up grabbing the resin Vampiress model and put it together in the store. I will say it: Resin models have finer detail, or at the very least appear to be finer than the metal. It's sharper, smoother, finer. Kids whining that metal is better need a punch in the throat, this stuff is mind-blowingly amazing. People saying "Warmachine is better than GW, it's cheaper and the models are just as good" are ignorant of what we have here. These guys have a monopoly for a reason, people. Hive Tyrant built in 20 minutes? You bet! Pinning? Looks like the number of hobby drills those guys are selling is about to drop right off...
I finished putting my Vampire together, glued it to its base. Asked one of the staff if anyone had tested to see how durable the Finecast were. He said no. Threw the model across the room, not a problem. I know from my SoB that gravity trumps metal. But this stuff just bounces (and yes, weirdly enough, the models actually DO bend and bounce, quite a bit actually)
Enough of the G-dub love. There are some issues with things: A guy had a Juggernaut with a chunk missing out of its leg. Air bubbles in the casting process or something... Staff just said "Fill it with greenstuff!" and the guy ran off to buy a packet. Nice...
Also, the man with the Hive Tyrant was apparently missing spikes from one of the legs on his model (I didn't know they had leg spikes to begin with, wouldn't have noticed). No explanation given, just shrugs. When you get the models, sometimes they look like they've been left in carbonite ala Han Solo. They have this fine film of resin over the sprue, doesn't affect the model, you just peel it off. But looking at hobbits stuck in resin-carbonite made my day.The softer models made me feel that if I wasn't very careful, I'd end up with a very expensive powder, it just feels soft and brittle, a little off-putting compared to the weighty and reassuring feel of metal. Just me, not an actual issue.
Overall, I didn't have any real issues with the resin models, and I am only really seeing positives over metal. For painters and collectors, the models are what matters, and they're only getter better detail and easier to work with and convert. For gamers, they bounce when dropped, no real damage, and are quicker to build. The product developers for this would have compared the pros and cons to all this, so you can all be safe in knowing that this isn't a stupid or reckless decision. I am personally sold on finecast, I wasn't 100% sold on all of it (after the GW site shamlessly reporting how great it was), but after seeing, trying and building it for myself, I have to say that this is a great benefit for our hobby.
P.S. That this has occurred during a GW price rise is no coincidence, all the kids are getting hyped up over new releases, they don't even notice them, smooth GW.
P.P.S. I mention the price rises, they're not as great as some were freaking out over. I heard someone say "Between 5 and 25% price increases". I haven't seen anything like that (no, I have not looked at every single product, only things relevant to me and my hobby). Most of my stuff went up by less than I usually have floating around as loose change in my jeans. It's mostly a few bucks here and there, battalions and battleforces getting an extra $10, a lot of things are staying the same. Just relax everyone.
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As if we didnt already do that to metals....
Real nice indeed...You need 10 dollars more to repair the model...I dont believe this is the issue on every model but i cant find anything nice strictly for the above situation.
What a mature thing to do!
Though that has nothing to do with the resin i believe.
On another note have you painted it?Anything to report on that issue?How do the paints react to the new material?I suspect it wont be
any difference in painting than the plastic ones.
Last edited by pilot00; May 28th, 2011 at 19:30.
Praise be to the Emperor!!
It'll be interesting to see how the quality is affected as the moulds age - my only experience of resin models so far being the somewhat variable forgeworld casts.
This is somewhat reassuring. I'm glad to hear that the stuff isn't coming out crazy warped, and that it somehow bends and springs back rather than bending and staying bent like most of the resin I've had experience with.
I was pretty much expecting bad castings though, with the bubbles and missing bits. Resin doesn't move quite like plastic does inside of a mold- it retains air bubbles and doesn't always get into those wonderfully detailed little nooks and crannies. The fact that I'm paying for them to switch materials and add details that are potentially worse than plastic is a bit of a frustration. I wish they would just stick to a single casting material. It would probably help their overhead.
I am curious to see how they paint up. I've heard from some people that GW claims that they're cleaning the mold-release from the models before shipping. Great, I'd believe that if not for the part about you finding the peel-able film over the models, or the fact that they're obviously not quality-checking these things any better than they ever have. I'll likely be giving all of mine a good soak in some water and dish soap before I set to work on them.
Meh, I had a good paragraph response about how the price hikes aren't that big a deal if they're just a few bucks, but that has nothing to do with the resin and I don't want to start any arguments. I'm just glad that this resin isn't a total bust.
If you dont like buy some greenstuff...If i had a gut telling me that id remind the second use of the master of the ravenwing...
Praise be to the Emperor!!
If you dont like it buy some greenstuff...If i had one of their employees telling me that id remind him/her the secret special rule of the master of the ravenwing...
Last edited by pilot00; May 28th, 2011 at 21:03.
Praise be to the Emperor!!
I'm not quite ready to chalk it up to starter problems. Like I said, it's a common issue with resin, "super-hybrid-noncarcinogenic-cheaper-better-faster-stronger" resin or not. One good thing that I can say about GW is that I've never seen them mess something up 'the first time'. They changed plastic on us a while back, and they did just fine.
I'm not quite ready to chalk this one up to beginner's luck, although I'd really like to. From experience though, problems just get worse as the molds break down, and the more edges and details you have in a mold, the faster it wears out.
I'm still a little undecided on this new resin, but at least someone is recieving it well. Maybe they'll eventually sort it out, maybe they'll stop pushing it and go back to plastics, or maybe I'll just keep doing what I've always done and converting anything that doesn't come in plastic. I'll take a look at some of the stuff and see what kinds of problems they have. I'm just glad that it glues together well and isn't as bad as the Forgeworld stuff.
I am not a mould tech but i am willing to give them a couple of months for 'recalibrating',for a lack of a better word,their equipment and minimise those problems.
Praise be to the Emperor!!