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Didn't know where to put this because its kind of an odd subject, but have you ever felt like GW but mainly Forge World, Is spying on you?
This odd question comes from a few different aspects, so I prepared a list:
1 - The new Storm Eagle I made from an adventure into plasticard about 2 years ago although mine has a multi melta, twin linked heavy bolters and 6 hellstrike missiles
2 - Before the release of the new Dark Eldar Codex I was toying with the idea of "Lesser Grotesques" a couple years later surprise surprise they bring out the new DE dex with Wracks (They were my idea :-P)
3 - Pain Tokens - After reading through Krovin Rezh's (Cant remember exact spelling) fandex for DE I made an idea of units being killed and gaining USR's from that
4 - Not an exact copy of what I was doing but I made a DE unit for apocolypse that was like a smaller version of the titan, kind of like a variant war walker for DE that was based on the eldar war walker... They bring out the Wasp a year later
5 - Heresy Era dreadnoughts - FW Bring out the Contemptor
This may sound like I'm up myself or something but this is honestly just a few things that have happened
Anyone else had these experiences?
I have, yes. In fact, many of us know that GW spies on us - for example, LO got a letter from GW just a year or so ago regarding our use of the aquila on our original logo. There was arguing back and forth, and eventually we decided that the double-eagle emblem is not a GW thing, but that we probably shouldn't use their exact copy. They also routinely bust sites for posting up statlines, links to official armybooks in .pdf format, pics taken without license from the GW site, all sorts of stuff.
Now, lots of people like to badmouth GW and say that this kind of spying is exactly what makes them such a terrible company. First off however, if you were sitting on a multimillion dollar product, you would probably try to keep people from stealing it from you. So their defense of their IP (while sometimes a bit overzealous - Chapterhouse) is understandable. Secondly, and more importantly, they do take note of things that the fans are saying. Not everything - they have a business to run, and fortunately they have at least a vague understanding of players' tendency to make the "Paper is fine, but rock is cheese - love always, Scissors" type statements. GW does try to advance the hobby in ways that players would like to see - they know that it will sell more product if they keep the customers happy, plus, if 200 people are calling for Fliers in the Space Marine books, they can probably sell at least 200 of them right through preorder. They also keep eyes on things like 'Ard Boyz and even the non-GW GT-circuit to look for trends in what armybooks are used, what items are taken, and what is probably overpowered. In fact, 'Ard Boyz is basically their playtesting field - they admitted that they don't take the time to figure out every possible configuration for an army, and even if they did, those patterns are likely to change as additional armybooks are released. 'Ard Boyz drafts in thousands of people who are essentially paying GW to demonstrate the maximum efficiencies of each armybook. This is why GW nerfs certain rules and items, and (for Fantasy at least) it influences the release schedules to cater to more popular or more unbalanced armies.
This is why a lot of players start up "wishlist" threads and mock armybooks early on. Hopefully a GW-rep will stop by the site and see that our High Elf section has assembled a complete 8th Edition armybook that actually gels with the new design features that GW has been implementing, and decide to show it to the developers.
Also remember that a lot of the "problems" within GW come from the corporate bigwhigs who hold the keys to the budget and are only eying the profit margins. The guys on the ground (even Mr. Ward, I know) are almost all gamers themselves, and so they are obviously going to want to see the same things that you do.
Well that would be all fine and well but I don't post up my creations. The only one i've put up is the dark eldar flyer I made but i think it was after the void raven and the razorwing were released. The rest I might tell a few gaming friends that play against them but there usually kept away because I don't want people to see them til there completely done and playtested by myself
I do agree with you on the fact thought that if I was in charge of a multi million dollar company i wouldn't want to just turn a blind eye to the players and i'd have spies everywhere
Right, but the point that I'm making is that you didn't come up with those ideas entirely on your own. That would be like me saying that if GW released a Nippon armybook for Fantasy, and included Samurai in it, that it was my idea because I included Samurai in my book.
You may have new, original ideas for 40k or Fantasy, but they develop as a response to trends within the games:
1. Did you start working on your Flier before or after the IG dex included the Valkyrie? Especially in the case of most of the fliers - they already existed in Imperial Armor volumes from Forgeworld, and GW just "officialized" their rules and moved them into the standard Codecies. The only exception is the StormRaven - kinda - because it is really just a gimpy Thunderhawk, since the TH is a $600+ model, second in venerability only to a FW-Titan, and it's a huge beasty on the table.
2. Lesser Grotesques? Grotes already existed, and someone at GW probably had the same idea "this would be cool if it wasn't so hard to fit into a list, well, we already have Grotesques in the line and can't get rid of them..." so they cranked out a new model, new unit, and packaged it in the book.
3. That one is an interesting one, but I didn't read the Fandex so I don't know if that's something that seemed intuitive from his book, or what happened there. Perhaps a Dev was looking in on that. I know that the new Chaos Dwarfs have a lot in common with the GT list, but that's because the guy who wrote the GT list submitted it to GW before he published it himself.
4. Everyone has a Titan concept... except Dark Eldar and the Tau. It only stands to reason that the Dark Eldar should have gotten something. Why they didn't just get evil Reavers is beyond me, but all the same, there was going to be something.
5. Considering that FW is partnered with GW, and GW owns BL, when the Horus Heresy series books came out, it was pretty obvious that there were going to be Heresy-era Dreads. It would be super easy to look around and find a picture of somebody converting a Heresy Dread out of a plastic easter-egg and some Transformers parts and see where Forgeworld got the idea for that hideous model. It's stupid anyways - Dreads are ancient, they shouldn't suddenly look cooler in the Heresy, they should look the same.
The captain is dead on everything in his post.
Also SWAY:I also thought a couple of years ago that it would be neat if we could have have sugar or candy straws for our drinks that would dissolve while drinking the thing.I never told it to anybody cause i though it ridiculous.2 years later i was at cafeteria drinking coffee with a sugar straw and cursing myself for not starting a company.
Another idea from a friend of mine was to have cars with tracing lights.To move the light emitter in conjunction with the steering wheel.That happened too.
Bottom line.I dont think its thought police yet,it just happens that between the six billion people of this planet some of us might have the same ideas/inspiration,but only a few get around to it.
Last edited by pilot00; April 7th, 2012 at 23:56.
Praise be to the Emperor!!
lol i was joking when I said they were my idea lol. I know its not thought police I just freak out when a bunch of stuff i'm thinking about to do with the game gets released.. Especially when I bring up the idea at the local GW and even the staff shoot it down, but then rave about it to me when it comes out in a codex..
@cap tain: My flyer was based on a smaller thunderhawk not a valkyrie and it was made before codex BA and IG were released and it looks frighteningly familiar to the new Storm Eagle FW just released lol and the fandex was made ages ago it was a concept in the fandex but i just elaborated on it and switched it around lol