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well i encountered this situation this past monday, it is similar to the hypothetical one im going to give you now
Imagine 3 identical in spots of equal value, each with an identical tank in it. Nothing to make you choose one over the other.
No imagine my solitare hiding behind one of the tanks. Because this is warhammer (a game)you can see him, but in the world of warhammer he is perfectly hidden. he has been hiding behind the tank the entire game no one has ever saw him.
Most people would shoot at the tank with the solitare hiding behind it. even though its IMPOSSIBLE to see him.
I have to admit i would have done the same, but after seeing this in action i will from now on be as fair as humanly possible . From now im going to shoot at the other two tanks...or randomize it with a dice or something.
So tell me how many of you put "yes" and then fell victim to the hypothetical question above?
Who is a cheapskate like me?
And who changed their vote? (just write down that you changed in your reply)
EDIT: i forgot to get rid of hte "most of the time colum" treat it as the "yes, 90% of the time". because they mean almost the same thing.
Look pall, in this game it can be imagined that we are the commanders of our armies in high orbit on our space craft.... we can see EVERYTHING!! with in certain limitations.... The point is we are god like in this game and there is nothing that would make it Unfair to shoot the tank with the solitaire behind it
if u must consider satilites, psycic sensing, sonar sweeps, heat imagry, or anything along those lines.....
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OK, mabye not. . . . . . ...... (hides the "dark" eldar. . . . . )
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yea, i'd shoot at the tank under the presedence that my worldeater lord has a hunch.
Take my words with a grain of salt, i am not the tactical genius i think i am!
I'm actualy fair to a fault...sorta.I'll sacrifice gameplay in favor of fluff,so if a unit of the other guy's army is supposed to be invisible, my troops aren't gonna see him.I guess it just depends on what type of player you are.
Well hypotheticaly speaking... shoot at the tank with the guy behind it, it is not cheating, it is retarded of the pther player to consider any one unit on the board to be hidden, you are being fair your opponent is being negativly fair to himself... that silly goose
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It seems most of you would shoot at that guy...
thats a shame...and if GW used EmperialZealot's ideas then guess weapons would be able to shoot at anything on the board...thats fair... :blink:
besides all your fluff reasons dont really work...
satelites take more than 2 seconds to send up a signal satelite to be in the perfect spot, zoom in take a picture, send the picture...the crew needs computers, not to mention recievers big enough...(imagine a camo'd basiliisk with a huge radar disk on it). Then they need to look through all the other crambunket on teh field and then fire...unrealistic
psychic sensing would be a power, so maybe if the player used his shooting phase and used that power to find him im ok with it
Sonar is going to bounce off the tank
heat vision is going to see the cold tank...and if it doesnt then it will see the 2-3 crew members in side as a huge yellow ball. (its pretty packed in a tank), then it would have to see the the other cold side and see the guy through it....i doubt it.
but this is not the point im sure you can come up with some fluff reason to see him. but you have to agree. that this is cheap.
Me and my friends never say who's in what transport, why? because then it wouldn't be fair. But I know that in tournies we have to do this, so I just take armies with no transports, or I don't use them.
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How about this.
Now I don't know ANYTHING about Solitares...But let's look at it like this.
1.) preliminary scouts have identified this Solitare and have been tracking him.
2.) Through the turmoil of the battle one of the commanders sees something that cannot be. He yanks his magnoculars and zooms in. After swithcing through several spectrums he immediately orders fire unto that spot.
3.) Master commander is latently pshychic/has psyker with him that directs him. (it's not an action...it's an advice or something innate. We don't have to go through WHAT they say when we use vox-casters do we? No...so we don't need a reason or an action when the psyker gives the commander advice like "that tank is a prime target High Commander!"
4.) It's a hunch.
5.) They're using mini satellite probes seeded into the atmosphere (like servo skulls) that constantly monitor the battlefield and send relevant information, telemetry, whatevever to the targetting computers and other such devices.
6.) My army uses the guiding light of the Emperor/Warp/Greater Good/Gork and Mork/The Hive/Necrontyr/Kaela Mensha Kain to find their enemies...I am that light.
Now...If this Solitare is truly hidden...well and TRULY hidden. He'd have a special rule to govern it.
Looking at the Vindicare Sniper. He has a stealth suit that practically makes him invisible.
Now...this would make in invincible in a game of Warhammer. Who's EVER going to notice him?
Well...someone might...using any of the methods above.
It IS a game. If you want true LOS play Inquisitor or something along those lines.
We must assume that information that we cannot see passes between each and every unit.
That includes seeing your Solitare.
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Ok. I think all those fluffy reasons are true. But if you can just fire at things because there its a hunch then what stops people from firing at a basilisk that is hiding behind a wall? i mean as far as i know one unit in your army needs to see the unit to be able to fire guess weapons at it...thats all im going on here. if that is not even a rule then i have no argument what so ever.
I dont know where i learnt that rule... i htink its a rule. now im double guessing myself.
what im trying to say is that if that rule that you have to see the enemy unit with one of your own units LOS, is in effect. then i think to be fair you should do the same in the hypothetical situation.
If my rule, which now i question if it exists, doesnt actually exist then im wrong.
EDIT: i forgot one thing sorrysorry for making you mad, i didnt mean to do that. I dont even know what i did. anyways just saying im not trying to cause sparks.The stake is planted...attempt to budge it